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You cant go into linux expecting to use it like windows. Also, if you want to run windows programs, run them in windows. Don't expect linux to be like windows, thats not what its supposed to be.

Personally, I could not live without linux for many things. I do all of my programming work and development on linux. I love being able to tweak and tinker with aspects of the system to my liking. 90% of what I like Linux for is in a terminal window, and that can't really be replicated on windows. However, I do love to game, and could not live without my windows partition either.

TL;DR Linux and windows have their strengths, don't expect them to be something they are not.
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post #32 of 126
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Originally Posted by Xazen View Post
You cant go into linux expecting to use it like windows. Also, if you want to run windows programs, run them in windows. Don't expect linux to be like windows, thats not what its supposed to be.

Personally, I could not live without linux for many things. I do all of my programming work and development on linux. I love being able to tweak and tinker with aspects of the system to my liking. 90% of what I like Linux for is in a terminal window, and that can't really be replicated on windows. However, I do love to game, and could not live without my windows partition either.

TL;DR Linux and windows have their strengths, don't expect them to be something they are not.
I do not expect it to be windows but I do expect it to be viable for something I want to do and it simply isn't for any of my desktop activities. When you use windows for more than 50% of what you want to do it pretty much just becomes a windows pc with a Linux partition for the fun of it.

I do enjoy tweaking though and certainly wish was as maliable.
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post #33 of 126
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THIS IS NOT A LINUX NOOB "I TRIED IT FOR 5 SECONDS AND DIDN'T LIKE IT" POST, I HAVE BEEN USING LINUX ON A DESKTOP FOR YEARS!
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post #34 of 126
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THIS IS NOT A LINUX NOOB "I TRIED IT FOR 5 SECONDS AND DIDN'T LIKE IT" POST, I HAVE BEEN USING LINUX ON A DESKTOP FOR YEARS!
OP you should add this to your original post. It might get you better answers than "don't expect Linux to be Windows."
 
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Lol I feel your pain. I recently set up my desktop to dual-boot Windows 7 and Kubuntu just because I barely know Linux and wanted to get comfortable with it. I got it installed okay but I need the proprietary NVIDIA drivers to enable dual-screen and allow me to play Minecraft. That said, every single Ubuntu/Kubuntu/KDE guide I can find on how to install NVIDIA drivers to Linux does not work. Every single one requires me to open system dialogs and menus or use CLI commands that simply do not exist on my install.

I did get BackTrack 5 successfully installed (I minored in Computer Networks and want to learn a bit more about network security) on my laptop but boy was that a process. Getting X.org to work involved deleting a bunch of cryptic .kcache files from my system, twice. Getting on my WPA2-secured wireless network required writing a 50-line script (it just works if it's not secured, WEP, or WPA, but WPA2 is totally different for some reason). Getting NVIDIA drivers installed has been impossible. And if you run into a problem you better hope someone else has encountered it and fixed it and blogged about it because if you go to the BackTrack forums, admit you're a newb, and try to ask for help, everyone turns elitist and calls you a moron and tells you to go back to Windows.

I'm sure Linux is nice once set up and once you're comfortable, but it's the initial learning curve that puts me off every time I try to use it. When I can't get something to work I always switch back to Windows out of frustration. Unfortunately I usually don't have time to spend hours googling various forums and browsing blogs to do something that happens automatically on Windows or at least only takes a few minutes to do.

to install nvidia drivers, the unubuntu way:

open up terminal type:

sudo apt-get install nvidia-current

will install the proprietary drivers, their a few releases behind, i think like 260 or something like that.

do use the official nvidia drivers, that are upto date.

open up terminal:

sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)

^this here you might not need, i know the actually ubuntu and xubuntu comes with what you need to build the drivers, just not sure about kubuntu as they have different packages to each other.

echo options nouveau modeset=0 | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-kms.conf

sudo update-initramfs -u

restart.

it should restart in vesa mode, drop out of x, open terminal:

sudo service gdm stop

might have to switch to another console (ctrl+alt+f#), login.

navigate to where the nvidia's run file is located.

chmod +x NVIDA*.run (at the asterisk hit tab button if its there it will auto fill in the rest.)

./NVIDIA* (at the asterisk hit the tab, will autofill the rest, hit enter.)

follow the onscreen directions, it will make the module and install it, also install the 32bit-opengl libs, and at the end of it it will ask you if you want the nvidia installer to configure xorg for you, tell it yes. restart, and it should start with the new driver.

you can also go dual screen with nouveau driver, you will need to go into display settings, and enable the second monitor on a separate x (not hard to do, its got a gui) it wont allow you to drag windows from one desktop to the other. xinerama will, but its no longer maintained and i don't believe it works with KDE 4.4+ (i could be wrong.)
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post #36 of 126
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LOLWUT!? You could have just set .asoundrc and forced sound through whatever device you chose. Or do what I do and use OSS4, none of the current DMs can manage it so nothing happens automatically.
You think I haven't tried that? I tried every combination of ALSA/OSS/PulseAudio. Half the time ALSA wouldn't even detect the card.
    
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post #37 of 126
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You think I haven't tried that? I tried every combination of ALSA/OSS/PulseAudio. Half the time ALSA wouldn't even detect the card.
It's because your using an X-Fi aren't ya? They have known linux issues, which is thanks to the company crapping on Linux support. Honestly unless you plan on using 7.1 surround in Linux you would have no advantage with it. Even more so if you use spdif... Actually, buying a high end audio card and using spdif is kind of pointless. From what I remember spdif forces the receiver to do the processing? Anyways, unless your doing surround sound in Linux your SBL will sound just as good as your X-Fi. That XRAM thing or whatever is a Win only thing, not used in the Nix world. So basically you got the wrong card for linux, plus I believe I told you in that thread that your specific card wasn't fully supported?
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Actually no. I'm using my backup Audigy, because I was having issues with my X-Fi. I'm not sure if its a driver issue or if the card is dying but I haven't used it in a month.


For whatever reason KDE would just try to disable my sound drivers. snd-ca106 and snd-hda-intel were a coin toss as to whether or not they would work. It would literally change every restart.


I ended up removing KDE entirely and installing Gnome 3, which at the very least was stable, but still couldn't get sound working in some applications.
    
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Actually no. I'm using my backup Audigy, because I was having issues with my X-Fi. I'm not sure if its a driver issue or if the card is dying but I haven't used it in a month.


For whatever reason KDE would just try to disable my sound drivers. snd-ca106 and snd-hda-intel were a coin toss as to whether or not they would work. It would literally change every restart.


I ended up removing KDE entirely and installing Gnome 3, which at the very least was stable, but still couldn't get sound working in some applications.
Audigy2? Depends on the card, I'm betting it was auto-detecting whatever card would respond first. That can be a coin toss, happens with nic cards too. Your best bet is to blacklist the cards in your system you don't want working. Your actually told to blacklist audio cards you don't want working unless you want a duel card .asoundrc as it gets mucky (various wiki sources will say that). I know you were originally trying to get that X-Fi working which (probably) won't happen in Linux.
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Snobby? Zeesh! Really? I guess some people just have never heard of google searches, or even searching on this site before asking something as simple as a command line install. Its been answered a google times. Here, you use Mint, right? Thats Ubuntu based, so I'll type it for the million'th and 1 time...

sudo apt-get install programname
<ENTER>
now type your password
<ENTER>
lots of letter fly though the terminal that you don't need to read until it stops and asks
Y or N?
<Y>
<ENTER>
Wait for the more letters you don't need to fly through the terminal.
Your program in installed.

We are generous... so much that Linux is free, and so are the programs for it! And to make it even LESS of a PITA than Windows, which charges for everything, we have this thing called a repository, so you don't even HAVE TO use a search engine to find what you want, or deal with the possibility of a piggybacked virus. Go step out into the street, Windows promised there isn't a bus coming. Tool. /end rant
Way to prove his point with a post like that
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