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Linux is different from Windows, not necessarily any harder though. It depends on how much you want to work with Linux if you want out of the box use Ubuntu or Mint, if you want something more bleeding edge use Fedora or Arch, if you want to dive a bit deeper into Linux use Gentoo, Arch or Slackware.
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post #52 of 126
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The point is, it shouldn't take that much work.

If the basic philosophy of Linux is to be a free or low-cost alternative to Windows, the he-man chest-beaters who think it's a badge of honor to fprot the tarball by hand and recompile the kernel for kicks have got to stop treating Linux like it's some kind of exclusive club.

LOL shoot yourself in the foot much thar, people?
The problem is all of the little things that keep piling up. Windows is just Windows. Everyone is running the same copy, and everything is in the same place. In addition, Microsoft provides a lot more tools to make sure your application works. They may be poorly thought out and a pain for the devs to use, but they do work (I absolutely detest WinAPI)

In Linux there really isn't a single entity saying "you have to do it this way", so you have multiple sound architectures, open source and binary video drivers, multiple DEs, multiple kernel versions, multiple different libraries that all do the same thing, and on top of that each distro follows its own design philosophy, so all of those things are arranged differently depending on whether you're running Arch or Debian or Slack or Fedora etc...


That leads to problems. Are there workarounds? Sure. But unless you're running generic hardware you're going to need dozens of them to get your system working properly.
    
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post #53 of 126
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The point is, it shouldn't take that much work.

If the basic philosophy of Linux is to be a free or low-cost alternative to Windows, the he-man chest-beaters who think it's a badge of honor to fprot the tarball by hand and recompile the kernel for kicks have got to stop treating Linux like it's some kind of exclusive club.
That is not the basic philosophy of Linux..
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The problem is all of the little things that keep piling up. Windows is just Windows. Everyone is running the same copy, and everything is in the same place. In addition, Microsoft provides a lot more tools to make sure your application works. They may be poorly thought out and a pain for the devs to use, but they do work (I absolutely detest WinAPI)

In Linux there really isn't a single entity saying "you have to do it this way", so you have multiple sound architectures, open source and binary video drivers, multiple DEs, multiple kernel versions, multiple different libraries that all do the same thing, and on top of that each distro follows its own design philosophy, so all of those things are arranged differently depending on whether you're running Arch or Debian or Slack or Fedora etc...


That leads to problems. Are there workarounds? Sure. But unless you're running generic hardware you're going to need dozens of them to get your system working properly.
Chances are though someone has the same problem as you, running the same hardware, or similar hardware as you, so the their fix will most likely work for you.
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That is not the basic philosophy of Linux..
Coulda fooled me. Isn't a month that goes by without me seeing variations on the theme of evangelizing for Linux with people going "Stop using Windows! Use Linux and pay $0!" as a rather major selling point.

Of course, then the evangelizers turn around and dump steaming piles all over the "n00bs" who ask questions about the shiny new OS they've just been convinced to get.
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Coulda fooled me. Isn't a month that goes by without me seeing variations on the theme of evangelizing for Linux with people going "Stop using Windows! Use Linux and pay $0!" as a rather major selling point.

Of course, then the evangelizers turn around and dump steaming piles all over the "n00bs" who ask questions about the shiny new OS they've just been convinced to get.
I felt the same way when I was making my transition to Linux. Unfortunately the only thing that changed my opinion was enough experience to make me comfortable using Linux regularly.
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If you want to read a book that demonstrates all the worst when it comes to saying Linux can do anything on the planet have a look a "Running Linux" by Matthias Dalheimer. If you like this kind of "never a distro I did not like" promotion, this is the guy for you. It is what is selected as my Linux Administrator class textbook (has been used several semesters). What turns me away is somehow I got the idea (from who knows where) that the Linux distros where supposed to make being productive with a computer easier,and they do not.I expected some concessions that some items needed some work but you will find nothing but Linux promotion. This is going to be a tough semester.
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Coulda fooled me. Isn't a month that goes by without me seeing variations on the theme of evangelizing for Linux with people going "Stop using Windows! Use Linux and pay $0!" as a rather major selling point.

Of course, then the evangelizers turn around and dump steaming piles all over the "n00bs" who ask questions about the shiny new OS they've just been convinced to get.
Marketing is and always will be full of BS. It doesn't matter if the marketers are tech savvy or not. If it truly exists, the basic philosophy of Linux (the kernel) is "do it yourself". The basic philosophy of the GNU project, which makes up the majority of the lower-level components other than the kernel, is Free (libre) software (long version). Put together, I guess that makes the philosophy of GNU/Linux "Be free to do it yourself".

Whatever it is, it has nothing to do with Windows.
    
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Marketing is and always will be full of BS. It doesn't matter if the marketers are tech savvy or not. If it truly exists, the basic philosophy of Linux (the kernel) is "do it yourself". The basic philosophy of the GNU project, which makes up the majority of the lower-level components other than the kernel, is Free (libre) software (long version). Put together, I guess that makes the philosophy of GNU/Linux "Be free to do it yourself".

Whatever it is, it has nothing to do with Windows.
*golf clap*

That's great, it doesn't justify dropping a stinkbomb on people who need some handholding through the initial stages of adjustment to a new OS.

I tender my previous example of the people who use things like PC-BSD and still insist on compiling everything from ports because PBIs are for weaklings, and make that contempt known in their forum posts.

It'd be like a Windows user insisting on using NET commands to toggle the settings of system services and being a rude so-and-so to people who preferred to use the GUI to turn them on or off.
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The point is, it shouldn't take that much work.

If the basic philosophy of Linux is to be a free or low-cost alternative to Windows, the he-man chest-beaters who think it's a badge of honor to fprot the tarball by hand and recompile the kernel for kicks have got to stop treating Linux like it's some kind of exclusive club.

LOL shoot yourself in the foot much thar, people?
I think that you missed his point.

Its not that Linux necessarily takes more work than windows, its that things are just done a different way in Linux. After you learn how to do it in Linux it can be just as easy, or even easier.
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