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Originally Posted by Quantum Reality;14542942 
*golf clap*

That's great, it doesn't justify dropping a stinkbomb on people who need some handholding through the initial stages of adjustment to a new OS.

I tender my previous example of the people who use things like PC-BSD and still insist on compiling everything from ports because PBIs are for weaklings, and make that contempt known in their forum posts.

It'd be like a Windows user insisting on using NET commands to toggle the settings of system services and being a rude so-and-so to people who preferred to use the GUI to turn them on or off.

It's no different than the Windows users who mock Linux users for lack of games, or difficulty of installation in my mind.

You get some idiots at every party.
    
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... Half the time ALSA wouldn't even detect the card.
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Originally Posted by nathris;14537603 
... I'm not sure if its a driver issue or if the card is dying ....

Sounds like you solved it... card death.
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Originally Posted by Quantum Reality;14542942 
*golf clap*

That's great, it doesn't justify dropping a stinkbomb on people who need some handholding through the initial stages of adjustment to a new OS.
....

But when someone asks "How do I install Gimp?" you have to wonder... They know what Gimp is, obviously because they searched somewhere (hopefully Google, Bing sux) for a free, opensource, or Linux Photo editing software. Which means they can search for the simple things that everyone asks. So, when they have Ubuntu, which has a trillion people, who have answered the same question about installing software, its ok not to do a search all the sudden? I gotta be in one heck of a good mood to break something down barney style like that. I don't use the word noob because at some point we all were, but also at some point Google did not exist. "Welcome to 2011 people... were you in cryostasis like Walt Disney? If so, welcome to this new fangled contraption, that you seem to have figured out how to use enough to make it here, its called the internet"
    
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Sounds like you solved it... card death.


Your powers of deduction are astounding...
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I haven't used it in a month.
    
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Originally Posted by Thumper;14540801 
Stick it to the man? How about buy food, or pay the power bill? LOL I have 6 computers, I would love to build some more, I really don't feel like slapping down $600+ for Windows, especially since the way it works and looks infuriates me. My transition to Linux as a permanent, single solution is driven by XP being phased out and support for programs to even OPERATE in it being dropped. And $600 would only get me the bare bones limited Windows 7, to actually be able to network them all together would cost over $1000, just for the damn OS. And then I bet 3 of them would burst into smoke if I didn't roll Win 7 back to XP appearance and function ANYWAY!!!!

Nope, not about me sticking it to the man.....it' about me not letting the man stick it to me anymore....LOL




Exactly my point. And I am not in anyway some Linux hardcore user. I have played with Linux on and off for the last 5 years. I just started using it exclusively on 2 of my systems a few months ago. I am not trying to come off as some Linux snob or arrogant jerk. I am not even trying to "convince" you to stick with Linux. I am just confused/amazed at the apparent revelation in the purpose of this thread....ie "Linux doesn't run games and the other software I have to have, so I'm done...."

The bottom line is if you look at what you MUST have the computer do (run games and run Adobe rendering not supported or replicated to your satisfaction in Linux programs) then having some epiphany that Linux is not for you is like a guy buying a Fiat 500 and having an epiphany that it won't tow his horse trailer and go offroading.

If it doesn't do what you want, then by all means buy something that does and be happy. The world won't end. smile.gif

The cost thing is a good point. I have access to windows pro for free through the company I work for and I am taking that for granted with that many computers it could be a huge cost. I am not saying that everyone has the stick it to the man idea but I think many tend to put open source on a pedestal. I would love to see Linux with some of the more polished proprietary apps which would give people more choices but companies won't make them because Linux isn't a viable home desktop and it won't be viable fully home desktop until they do. It's a catch 22.

My point is to argue that Linux is not usable as a FULLY featured desktop You seem to have the right idea about what it is and what is not but the problem is more about the community who presents it like windows or OSX, as the FIAT that can tow a horse trailer and off road. Most people pass it off as "it just does things differently" but it's beyond that it simply cannot do many many things at all.


I still have other devices running Linux and will continue to do so.

This is not a flame thread just a discussion of Linux on a desktop.


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Look, when people post stuff like "multiple sound architectures" you aren't gong to get through on any level. OSS was officially dropped years ago, the only official sound architecture for Linux is ALSA... But you know, who's counting. Not to mention Windows runs "open" video drivers as well as closed, you know but who's counting. Just don't come in the Linux forum and post then as it saves us (the ones who want to use it) a lot of hassle.
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Your powers of deduction are astounding...

Elementary my dear Watson.
    
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#No_Sound_with_Onboard_Intel_Sound_Card

That gives you the real answer to his problems. If they say to blacklist in that case, I'm going to guess in nathris's case he should have been blacklisting. What's funny is that it comes from the wiki of the distro he uses. If your not going to read the wiki for answers then I'm sorry. It's really annoying when the answer is told over and over again, found, posted, told again, and yet the dude still complains about linux because he won't listen.
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Originally Posted by Quantum Reality;14542942 
*golf clap*

That's great, it doesn't justify dropping a stinkbomb on people who need some handholding through the initial stages of adjustment to a new OS.

I tender my previous example of the people who use things like PC-BSD and still insist on compiling everything from ports because PBIs are for weaklings, and make that contempt known in their forum posts.

It'd be like a Windows user insisting on using NET commands to toggle the settings of system services and being a rude so-and-so to people who preferred to use the GUI to turn them on or off.


typical windows user "train of thought". i've been bashed and torn apart on this forum, OCN, by windows users for even suggesting a possible use of linux or how the market in tech has shifted in linux's favor. windows users don't suffer from "elitism", they have a heir of "entitlement" about them.

most would be correct in pointing out there is very little, if any "unification" in the linux world. personally i would like to be a bit more unification, others would dread that day, and they have good reason.

linux itself is a collection of all third party programs and tools, everything from the bootloader to the filesystems. its not like in windows, where the kernel is designed specifically for ntfs, and ntfs is specifically design for the bootloader, etc. a lot of cross checking and building goes on when windows gets developed. i guess the best example is the "the bazaar and the cathedral" its an actual book, if you want to read the comaprissions.

a lot of the problems most run into, is the distro they have chosen, same with the hardware. most who have no linux expeirence, who want to run it, make the mistake of using the computer they built for windows and mainly games.

for whatever reason, most hardware vendors really don't give you a choice, they would like to make you think you have the choice, its all marketing. but they make the choice for you how you use their hardware and what OS you run it on. if they simply do not support linux, nor support the open community to give them help to develop their own driver for it, it simply will never get support, to me unlike most, this isn't linux's fault, as windows doesn't develop 95% of their drivers, why should linux? i don't believe in the double standard, neither should you.

now there is a lot of hardware that is supported in linux, as vendors either seen that their is a demand, or given enough specs for the hardware to allow the open community develop their own driver for it.

to me, when most get upset or frustrated with linux, when linux isn't to blame, as your choice is not be taken away by linux, but by the hardware/software you have chosen to use. if absolutely need say like most of the adobe products, adobe has already made that choice what OS and essentially what hardware you run.

my advice to anyone wanting to go linux or try linux. buy hardware that is supported in linux, same with software, i see a lot on this forum that say "speak with your wallet", i personally do that when purchasing hardware and software. over the years i've dropped my licenses on a lot of software and when asked why by the company, i simply tell them "i've made a choice to run linux, you don't support it, so i have no need for you any longer."

its my choice to suffer in this regard, but its not really suffering imho, as i really don't miss 90% of the programs i've dropped in my pursuit of pure linux use. now i'm not saying everyone is able or should do this, as this is my view on the matter, and i don't rely on a specific software that is a must to support my living or hobby. but i would also recommend at least try to replace or do without windows specific software, if there is simply not alternative, there is no alternative and the is just unfortunate.
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#No_Sound_with_Onboard_Intel_Sound_Card

That gives you the real answer to his problems. If they say to blacklist in that case, I'm going to guess in nathris's case he should have been blacklisting. What's funny is that it comes from the wiki of the distro he uses. If your not going to read the wiki for answers then I'm sorry. It's really annoying when the answer is told over and over again, found, posted, told again, and yet the dude still complains about linux because he won't listen.


snd_intel8x0 dates back to the Socket 478. Neither one would even be loaded since I'm using snd-hda-intel, like I said.


What's really funny is you treating random lines you find in a community driven Wiki as fact. The Arch wiki is a great resource, but a lot of it is outdated and incorrect.
    
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snd_intel8x0 dates back to the Socket 478. Neither one would even be loaded since I'm using snd-hda-intel, like I said.


What's really funny is you treating random lines you find in a community driven Wiki as fact. The Arch wiki is a great resource, but a lot of it is outdated and incorrect.

what i find funny, is you are disregarding the information cause it doesn't contain the exact module name, the information is still valid, and since you know the module name of the one(s) you don't want loading, why don't you try swapping out the name.
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