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what i find funny, is you are disregarding the information cause it doesn't contain the exact module name, the information is still valid, and since you know the module name of the one(s) you don't want loading, why don't you try swapping out the name.

That particular issue seems to arise from two modules fighting each other for control of a single sound device. Its a specific case related to a specific problem.


Had you read earlier, you would know I have 3 different devices and I use all of them. I don't want to blacklist anything.
    
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That particular issue seems to arise from two modules fighting each other for control of a single sound device. Its a specific case related to a specific problem.


Had you read earlier, you would know I have 3 different devices and I use all of them. I don't want to blacklist anything.
i had read earlier, sounded more like the conflict you were having than what you are wanting to do.

for someone who runs a minimalistic setup, you seem to run a more than average complicated hardware configuration that i'm not a 100% sure why.

this sounds more like your problem, than anything else:

http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCard....conf_and_udev
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The cost thing is a good point. I have access to windows pro for free through the company I work for and I am taking that for granted with that many computers it could be a huge cost. I am not saying that everyone has the stick it to the man idea but I think many tend to put open source on a pedestal. I would love to see Linux with some of the more polished proprietary apps which would give people more choices but companies won't make them because Linux isn't a viable home desktop and it won't be viable fully home desktop until they do. It's a catch 22.

My point is to argue that Linux is not usable as a FULLY featured desktop You seem to have the right idea about what it is and what is not but the problem is more about the community who presents it like windows or OSX, as the FIAT that can tow a horse trailer and off road. Most people pass it off as "it just does things differently" but it's beyond that it simply cannot do many many things at all.


I still have other devices running Linux and will continue to do so.

This is not a flame thread just a discussion of Linux on a desktop.


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Please tell me why Linux is not usable as a FULLY featured desktop? Most people will say lack of application support and game support. While partially true, that is not Linux's fault. The real group at fault is the developer of these applications who do not add Linux support to their applications and games. If developers ported their applications, drivers, and games over to Linux, then Linux would most likely support the same amount of things that Windows does.
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That particular issue seems to arise from two modules fighting each other for control of a single sound device. Its a specific case related to a specific problem.


Had you read earlier, you would know I have 3 different devices and I use all of them. I don't want to blacklist anything.
And of course you code for the kernel and know every module conflict? So when did you start coding for the linux kernel?

[edit] You should purge ALSA, or at least everything PA/ALSA related that you can without destroying the desktop. Go compile OSS4 and you'll get the ability to run all the cards on a per-application basis. That means you'll have to have each application choose what card you want it to run too. Or you could just set up a script/command/whatever to switch master output, basically change the card output without restarting X. It would make a much better solution, though you won't get the X-Fi to work at all. I don't think you'll ever get good support in Linux for that until they can properly tweak the source code from the crap pile Creative gave us.
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Please tell me why Linux is not usable as a FULLY featured desktop? Most people will say lack of application support and game support. While partially true, that is not Linux's fault. The real group at fault is the developer of these applications who do not add Linux support to their applications and games. If developers ported their applications, drivers, and games over to Linux, then Linux would most likely support the same amount of things that Windows does.
I am not pointing blame. It does not matter whose fault it is (it isn't Linux developers) only the result and the result is that there are not enough high quality applications for everything. It has a very specific range of use.

There are some excellent replacement applications for Linux, libre office and evince for PDF's, browsers are covered and email, but that's less than 50% of my desktop activities (even less once I got a tablet) and everything else has poor or non existent replacements.

A simple secure linux distro would probably be great for the average person who only browses the internet and does paper work.
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I am not pointing blame. It does not matter whose fault it is (it isn't Linux developers) only the result and the result is that there are not enough high quality applications for everything. It has a very specific range of use.

There are some excellent replacement applications for Linux, libre office and evince for PDF's, browsers are covered and email, but that's less than 50% of my desktop activities (even less once I got a tablet) and everything else has poor or non existent replacements.

A simple secure linux distro would probably be great for the average person who only browses the internet and does paper work.
If developers acknowledged that Linux existed, then we would have a lot more applications that natively run on Linux.
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*golf clap*

That's great, it doesn't justify dropping a stinkbomb on people who need some handholding through the initial stages of adjustment to a new OS.
No it doesn't; did I say it does?
    
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The cost thing is a good point. I have access to windows pro for free through the company I work for and I am taking that for granted with that many computers it could be a huge cost. I am not saying that everyone has the stick it to the man idea but I think many tend to put open source on a pedestal. I would love to see Linux with some of the more polished proprietary apps which would give people more choices but companies won't make them because Linux isn't a viable home desktop and it won't be viable fully home desktop until they do. It's a catch 22.

My point is to argue that Linux is not usable as a FULLY featured desktop You seem to have the right idea about what it is and what is not but the problem is more about the community who presents it like windows or OSX, as the FIAT that can tow a horse trailer and off road. Most people pass it off as "it just does things differently" but it's beyond that it simply cannot do many many things at all.


I still have other devices running Linux and will continue to do so.

This is not a flame thread just a discussion of Linux on a desktop.


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I believe Linux is a great desktop OS, simply because not everyone does a lot of things, most people would use a web browser, WLM, media player, basic office programs (eg. Typing up essay in Word) and maybe a image editing program, Linux already has very good free versions of those, however for enthusiasts like us it does lack applications.

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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php...tel_Sound_Card

That gives you the real answer to his problems. If they say to blacklist in that case, I'm going to guess in nathris's case he should have been blacklisting. What's funny is that it comes from the wiki of the distro he uses. If your not going to read the wiki for answers then I'm sorry. It's really annoying when the answer is told over and over again, found, posted, told again, and yet the dude still complains about linux because he won't listen.
There's the occasional problem where the program just won't work no matter what and no matter what you do to it, happened once to me with X once when I was installing Arch, I just restarted installation and it worked alright though.

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snd_intel8x0 dates back to the Socket 478. Neither one would even be loaded since I'm using snd-hda-intel, like I said.


What's really funny is you treating random lines you find in a community driven Wiki as fact. The Arch wiki is a great resource, but a lot of it is outdated and incorrect.
I've noticed a lot with Linux, especially in the audio and WiFi department, uses older names or weird names for stuff.

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That particular issue seems to arise from two modules fighting each other for control of a single sound device. Its a specific case related to a specific problem.


Had you read earlier, you would know I have 3 different devices and I use all of them. I don't want to blacklist anything.
I'm curious as to why you run all 3 different devices?

I'm honestly surprised that actually works even in Windows.

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Please tell me why Linux is not usable as a FULLY featured desktop? Most people will say lack of application support and game support. While partially true, that is not Linux's fault. The real group at fault is the developer of these applications who do not add Linux support to their applications and games. If developers ported their applications, drivers, and games over to Linux, then Linux would most likely support the same amount of things that Windows does.
That may not be Linux's fault, but it is still an issue with Linux.

The crappy performance of Phenom II compared to SB isn't AMDs fault, but it's still an issue if you're going for an AMD rig these days.

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If developers acknowledged that Linux existed, then we would have a lot more applications that natively run on Linux.
But they do know Linux exists, there's just no-where nearly enough users to justify the costs of porting the application.
There is a lot of misinformation too, eg that Linux users always pay less for stuff simply cause they're used to it being free, when in fact they tend to pay more. (See: Humble Indie Bundle 3)
    
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I'm curious as to why you run all 3 different devices?

I'm honestly surprised that actually works even in Windows.
Mic and Headphones connected to Soundblaster
Wii audio connected to HD Audio mic in, so I have sound when I connect my Wii through my tv tuner
Monitor speakers via HDMI audio from GTX 460.



And yea, it "just works". I can even set different volume levels per application for each sound card. eg, I could have Chrome at 50% for my headphones, and 75% through the monitor speakers.


Some people need to realize that just because its Windows it doesn't mean its automatically inferior. I'm sick of all of this "oh but Linux does that too, if you follow these 12 pages of tweaks you can get it running in Linux almost as good as you can in Windows".
    
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Mic and Headphones connected to Soundblaster
Wii audio connected to HD Audio mic in, so I have sound when I connect my Wii through my tv tuner
Monitor speakers via HDMI audio from GTX 460.



And yea, it "just works". I can even set different volume levels per application for each sound card. eg, I could have Chrome at 50% for my headphones, and 75% through the monitor speakers.


Some people need to realize that just because its Windows it doesn't mean its automatically inferior. I'm sick of all of this "oh but Linux does that too, if you follow these 12 pages of tweaks you can get it running in Linux almost as good as you can in Windows".
Weird, I wasn't meaning that Windows does it worse or anything, it's just a very odd set up.
    
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