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Linux will be my permanent operating system...

...right when every game and software developer makes a Linux version of their products.
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Mic and Headphones connected to Soundblaster
Wii audio connected to HD Audio mic in, so I have sound when I connect my Wii through my tv tuner
Monitor speakers via HDMI audio from GTX 460.



And yea, it "just works". I can even set different volume levels per application for each sound card. eg, I could have Chrome at 50% for my headphones, and 75% through the monitor speakers.


Some people need to realize that just because its Windows it doesn't mean its automatically inferior. I'm sick of all of this "oh but Linux does that too, if you follow these 12 pages of tweaks you can get it running in Linux almost as good as you can in Windows".
Why don't you route it all through a receiver? I can do sound per device too, my headphones have a nice little volume adjustment. It's pretty sexy. Though everything routes through my receiver! I've got 3xDVD 2xCD 2xTV inputs, it's pretty sweet. Optical, coaxial spdif, 2 outputs for other systems, a mic input, headphones, composite video, sexy stuff.

[edit] I also told you that can be done with OSS4, I could do screens for ya?

[edit2] I call bullox unless you are doing it per-application which I stated you could do in Linux.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...e-66d7f895584b

You can't split the windows PCM master, it goes to the default windows device.
Edited by mushroomboy - 8/11/11 at 7:36pm
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Mic and Headphones connected to Soundblaster
Wii audio connected to HD Audio mic in, so I have sound when I connect my Wii through my tv tuner
Monitor speakers via HDMI audio from GTX 460.



And yea, it "just works". I can even set different volume levels per application for each sound card. eg, I could have Chrome at 50% for my headphones, and 75% through the monitor speakers.


Some people need to realize that just because its Windows it doesn't mean its automatically inferior. I'm sick of all of this "oh but Linux does that too, if you follow these 12 pages of tweaks you can get it running in Linux almost as good as you can in Windows".
its a strange setup that is for sure. i'm honestly surprise it works at all, as to why one would want it setup like that, not sure. even the way you explain it, sounds like more than needed work, even for windows.
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Weird, I wasn't meaning that Windows does it worse or anything, it's just a very odd set up.
Odd, but very convenient. I don't have to use any splitters or extra cables, or manually switch plugs every time I want to change source.

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Why don't you route it all through a receiver? I can do sound per device too, my headphones have a nice little volume adjustment. It's pretty sexy. Though everything routes through my receiver! I've got 3xDVD 2xCD 2xTV inputs, it's pretty sweet. Optical, coaxial spdif, 2 outputs for other systems, a mic input, headphones, composite video, sexy stuff.

[edit] I also told you that can be done with OSS4, I could do screens for ya?

OSS4 does per application volume control, but it didn't work with my setup.

And excuse me for not wanting to buy a $300 receiver in order to use my free operating system
    
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Odd, but very convenient. I don't have to use any splitters or extra cables, or manually switch plugs every time I want to change source.




OSS4 does per application volume control, but it didn't work with my setup.

And excuse me for not wanting to buy a $300 receiver in order to use my free operating system
My receiver was $128 3 years ago, or more. I'm sure you could have bought my receiver instead of that crappy X-Fi, ran spdif out, and had way better sound than you do now.

[edit] I would also like to know how you split the windows master into two different streams?

Unless it is per application, which I actually believe can be done with ALSA? Either way you need to drop the X-Fi if you want to get your setup to run in Linux. It won't fly for a long time, until developers find the need to fix the Creative drivers.
Edited by mushroomboy - 8/11/11 at 8:01pm
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Odd, but very convenient. I don't have to use any splitters or extra cables, or manually switch plugs every time I want to change source.




OSS4 does per application volume control, but it didn't work with my setup.

And excuse me for not wanting to buy a $300 receiver in order to use my free operating system
from your post lately, sounds like you are and have been quite upset with linux for awhile, maybe it is time to ask for a refund...
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[edit] I would also like to know how you split the windows master into two different streams?
Many programs (such as media players) allow you to choose which sound output to use. They generally default to the Windows default (whichever one was selected in the Control Panel's sound properties).

There are also audio/video production programs that access soundcards via ASIO. This (mostly) bypasses Windows' control, and allows exclusive control and advanced features such as direct monitoring, latency settings, etc. to be handled by the program directly.

My setup isn't as complicated as nathris's, but I do use two "soundcards" in my desktop. I use the onboard Realtek for general music and video playback, and my RME Fireface 800 for audio production. The Windows default is set to the Realtek. The RME's ASIO driver is selected directly within the relevant applications (Audition, Cubase, Vegas, etc.). This way no other programs can interfere with audio recording/playback on the RME.



I'm really enjoying Debian Squeeze on my home server. I ditched Windows Home Server two months ago after it failed to warn me about a dying pool drive. Just a BSOD. I restarted and checked the disk with WD's Data Lifeguard Diagnostic, and it failed within two minutes. I opened WHS's console, and it detected no problems. For this and several other reasons, good riddance.

I'd love to use Linux as my desktop OS, but due to specific audio/video software needs, I can't switch full-time. I haven't found viable alternatives yet. Hopefully someday software companies will see the beauty of Linux.
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Many programs (such as media players) allow you to choose which sound output to use. They generally default to the Windows default (whichever one was selected in the Control Panel's sound properties).

There are also audio/video production programs that access soundcards via ASIO. This (mostly) bypasses Windows' control, and allows exclusive control and advanced features such as direct monitoring, latency settings, etc. to be handled by the program directly.

My setup isn't as complicated as nathris's, but I do use two "soundcards" in my desktop. I use the onboard Realtek for general music and video playback, and my RME Fireface 800 for audio production. The Windows default is set to the Realtek. The RME's ASIO driver is selected directly within the relevant applications (Audition, Cubase, Vegas, etc.). This way no other programs can interfere with audio recording/playback on the RME.
That is application specific. There is only one program I've seen that "splits" a master pcm, everything else outputs directly to the sound card you specify. ASIO can only be used with high end DJ/Production software, it can't be usd for WMP, Winamp, Skype, Ect... In order to do that you have to have programs that can specify the card. That is not splitting the master pcm.

I'm pretty sure nathris could run his onboard, audigy2, and hdmi in Linux to get his 3 sound cards.

You won't ever get your audio needs in Linux, I've searched high and low for good audio programs and found very few. =(

[edit] I've checked, ALC889 (onboard) works in ALSA, Audigy2 has always worked (Not sure about emu10k2, reports say it works), Nvidia HDMI works, I believe that comes with the Nvidia drivers but might not. So there would be an easy 3 card solution for Nathris if he wanted to get all those cards working. I'm sure the ALC889 works on OSS4 but not positive, that would have to be tested by him. I just have more experience getting OSS4 to work, it would really be just like getting OSS to run multiple cards. [edit2] If he got the X-Fi working in ALSA he could have a freaking 4 card solution!
Edited by mushroomboy - 8/12/11 at 7:47am
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... I'm sick of all of this "oh but Linux does that too, if you follow these 12 pages of tweaks you can get it running in Linux almost as good as you can in Windows".
Windows is a jack-of-all-trades, but (other than gaming) a master of none. Linux is not like this... each distro is custom tailored to be the King of what you want it to be. I set my main distro to be a multi-tasker as light weight as it can be, thus, a King of resource efficiency. It only does the few things I want it to do, but can not do anything else without sacrifices to my setup.

Let me put it in Barney terms:
If Windows was a car ( I like cars ) it would also be a boat, a plane, and a submarine. But it would not drive as fast as Just-a-car, sail as well as a Just-a-boat, fly as high as a Just-a-plane, or dive as deep as a Just-a-submarine.

In the Linux world, we don't aim for a sorta-do-it-all kind of machine. We want it, and make it, do exactly what we aim for perfectly. Some times perfect is not available because of opensource/free versus closedsource/pay-for proprietary software (directX, photoshop, netflix, and iTunes for example). The old saying "you get what you pay for" does not accurately reflect upon computer operating systems correctly. In our world, you get what you work for. And if you have no interest in doing a little research, tweaking, and learning, then there is nothing wrong with the standard of Robots and Lemmings. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
    
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obviously you are a linux noob. maybe if you spent more than 5 minutes configuring it you wouldn't be having these problems.



lol no but seriously, it's a for programmers by programmers kind of thing. It's a great fit for me as that's what I use it for and it really is a beautiful thing. If I had to do primarily photo editing or whatever, I wouldn't even bother with it despite all its glory. Perhaps a mac would be a happy medium.
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