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why do people who have "given up on Linux" like to come to this section and post that they gave up? i mean, if you've really given up and are done with Linux (whatever flavor), then do so and move on. are you expecting other Linux users to *beg you to stay with Linux* ?

i've been using Linux for 15yrs, have made some contributions to some major distributions, contributions to open source projects, etc. I've helped a LOT of people and companies move to using Linux with much success. But let me be clear, I've no interest in making you stay with Linux. if you give up, that's your choice so live with it... don't expect people to feel bad for you.

on the other hand, if you're trying to figure something out, feel free to ask for specific help (I'm trying to do X, but I've tried these things A, B, C, and still can't get it to work. the diagnostic log shows this ---- ) and I and probably several others would be happy to help.

W+T+F man.... I hate whiners, you're not freak'n 3 yrs old and expect mommy and daddy to come to the rescue when you're having a hissy fit and declare "I give up on Linux". What the S(-)1T is this?

p.s. - don't take anything i post personally, just feel my love!
Edited by BLinux - 8/13/11 at 10:35am
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post #92 of 126
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Equally bad as people whining about people whining about Linux? This is a discussion forum not just a yahoo answers style QA session. I was discussing the viability of Linux as a full desktop OS. Perhaps I should have worded the thread as "Is Linux a viable desktop OS" and discussed my experience. Which would make people less angry with a more general discussion. I think people like yourself are reading the title only and then posting, especially since no one seems to have noticed that I said multiple times that I was still using Linux on EVERYTHING other than my desktop.

My purpose was not to try to get people to beg me to come back or to whine. More to see if people share my sentiment, or if I was some how missing something that would change my conclusion.

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Originally Posted by valvehead View Post
Many programs (such as media players) allow you to choose which sound output to use. They generally default to the Windows default (whichever one was selected in the Control Panel's sound properties).

There are also audio/video production programs that access soundcards via ASIO. This (mostly) bypasses Windows' control, and allows exclusive control and advanced features such as direct monitoring, latency settings, etc. to be handled by the program directly.
<snip>
I'd love to use Linux as my desktop OS, but due to specific audio/video software needs, I can't switch full-time. I haven't found viable alternatives yet. Hopefully someday software companies will see the beauty of Linux.
Greetz
I could write volumes about this but I will try not to. It should be enough to say that in this business, pro audio work, if you're not using Pro Tools you're losing money. I say this not because I like Pro Tools, I don't, but they have somehow been as successful or more as Microsoft in associating their brand with the work until it is almost synonymous if only in the mind's of casual users and every musician on the planet. So at least one box needs to have Pro Tools on it so one can answer the inevitable question "Yes, we have Pro Tools"

That said, there is extreme value in learning, using, and thereby learning from, Ardour and Jack. A separate box or a dual boot with a decent distro employing a realtime low latency kernel (where the rubber actually meets the road) will spoil you rotten. I don't want to hear how so-and-so's hardware or software advertises 4msec latency on a Windows machine when the main link in the chain drops that to 20msec, and trust me, you can feel that!

Even if all you do is use Ardour for delicate punch-ins or syncs you owe it to yourself, if not the industry, to try this out. It is a bit of a steep curve at first, but I swear to you it is worth it. You can talk with the developers on IRC for deeper understanding and to try to get your future needs addressed. Try talking to a Pro Tools developer and getting any personal help With Ardour the same guy(s) writing the code are the guys who use and love DAWS and music. That alone is priceless in terms of understanding and development.

Find Ardour here http://ardour.org



As in music itself, without the creative underground of Indies, the top falls apart and crumbles into sappy soggy oatmeal. For the record I have no affiliation with Ardour except being an impressed user since it's onset when there weren't even install compiling instructions because the author didn't want to be distracted by a flood of basic if not lame questions and complaints. Once he got the base truly functional. that all changed and now it's easy to install and learn. Do give it a look. It will make you more effective no matter what you do with it, if only by getting a glimpse at what the weakest links truly are that impede your smooth production.

FWIW, there is a Mac version as well. It didn't survive for over 10 years, and begin to really flourish, by being fail. So check it out. All it takes is some time and you are likely losing that by degrees now with a Windows DAW. The lights will go on bathing your brain cells within 2 weeks if you are at all serious about learning it and more about how DAWs work and can be improved.
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Linux just needs some more accessible documentation. I've dabbled in Linux for years (I first used it in the mid 90s) and still know next to nothing because it's always been hard to get documentation that actually explained stuff more throughly than "do this to get this", while not drowning one in terms and syntax one hasn't learned yet. As is it's like trying to learn calculus without knowing algebra.

In all honestly I had a vastly easier time learning how to debug DOS config files in search of that 603k of free conventional memory while still keeping mouse, sound, and EMS support, than learning to install even the most basic things on a Linux system.
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To me hardware support is still the problem. GPUs, WIFI cards, webcams, and HDMI all are problematic if they aren't automatically configured for you by the distro. And nothing is worse than getting them configured and having some update come along that you didn't know had a relation to it and takes everything apart. I like Linux because it has made some things in my life easy and fast. But it has made a lot of other things unnecessarily complicated.

Linux could be the desktop for the general user if a little more balance on the ease of use was introduced.
     
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post #96 of 126
Hardware support is the main issue for me.

Linux is a viable OS and is my replacement for windows, when I have flawless hardware.

I will not use linux on a computer when it will run better on windows.

It's all about the speed, quality, and performance. Windows IS the great performer on supported hardware so I am going to stick with that.
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so many people have said they dislike the lack of hardware support...

but the reality of it is, hardware support is becoming less and less and less of an issue if you compare issues today to a year ago, or a year ago to a year before that... you see advances in support, and a decline in people complaining that something wont work
Kinda meh now...
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I hear ya, yet every time I mention how much of a pain Linux is people seem to think it never breaks. But it does. A lot

Gentoo, Fedora Core, Ubuntu, SuSe (before it was bought out), Arch, Mint. Tried them all. They all break and require far too much messing around to get working.

Using Wine is just stupid. Why not just run the program from Windows?
    
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why do people who have "given up on Linux" like to come to this section and post that they gave up? i mean, if you've really given up and are done with Linux (whatever flavor), then do so and move on. are you expecting other Linux users to *beg you to stay with Linux* ?

i've been using Linux for 15yrs, have made some contributions to some major distributions, contributions to open source projects, etc. I've helped a LOT of people and companies move to using Linux with much success. But let me be clear, I've no interest in making you stay with Linux. if you give up, that's your choice so live with it... don't expect people to feel bad for you.

on the other hand, if you're trying to figure something out, feel free to ask for specific help (I'm trying to do X, but I've tried these things A, B, C, and still can't get it to work. the diagnostic log shows this ---- ) and I and probably several others would be happy to help.

W+T+F man.... I hate whiners, you're not freak'n 3 yrs old and expect mommy and daddy to come to the rescue when you're having a hissy fit and declare "I give up on Linux". What the S(-)1T is this?

p.s. - don't take anything i post personally, just feel my love!
You are a GOD...
You said it all in first sentence... why you came here to complain about linux... ehehehe...
ive tried few distros, i did like it... but as few guys said, my life is oriented towards windows...

linux is nice os, just if u know how to use it
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I hear ya, yet every time I mention how much of a pain Linux is people seem to think it never breaks. But it does. A lot
Gentoo, Fedora Core, Ubuntu, SuSe (before it was bought out), Arch, Mint. Tried them all. They all break and require far too much messing around to get working.
Using Wine is just stupid. Why not just run the program from Windows?
Greetz
There, There now. It's OK. Really.

It's totally understandable that you prefer to remain a cash cow to a raging monopoly who does everything for you so you don't have to learn or understand anything at all about how your computer works.

It's totally understandable that you couldn't bother to "mess around" to learn how not to break your toys.

It's totally understandable that you didn't really need to learn that Linux, even hobbled with an extra layer like Wine, can run many of Windows' own programs better than Windows can due to lower latency, better control, superb TCP/IP stack, superior security, lower maintenance, vastly reduced bloat, and vastly better memory management. Really...it's OK.

It's even somewhat understandable that someone like you finds themselves compelled to not only defend the OpSys that has 90+% market share, but to actually go out of their way to "mention" how Linux "breaks...a lot". After all it makes you feel better and not so lazy and ignorant. Right?

Here ya go... a little gift. You are hereby absolved of all your sins and it is officially OK to worship M$ and enjoy your bliss without ever having to bother to come down to the ghetto ever again and tell us peasants how stupid we are. Ur Number 1 Dude!
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