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Also, since I'm not familiar with AMD's lineup as much as Intel's. Could someone please inform me of what this Core Unlocking is about?

What I'm understanding from you bros is that it is possible to unlock 2 additional cores on this baby? (the 955be) AND overclock all of them?
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Also, since I'm not familiar with AMD's lineup as much as Intel's. Could someone please inform me of what this Core Unlocking is about?

What I'm understanding from you bros is that it is possible to unlock 2 additional cores on this baby? (the 955be) AND overclock all of them?
The 555 BE is actually a quad-core that was "locked" to a dual-core by AMD. Some motherboards can unlock those cores. However, the 955 BE is physically a quad core, so there aren't any cores to unlock there.
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Core unlocking refers to the fact that some 555BEs are actually quad cores with 2 locked functional cores.
 
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Also, since I'm not familiar with AMD's lineup as much as Intel's. Could someone please inform me of what this Core Unlocking is about?

What I'm understanding from you bros is that it is possible to unlock 2 additional cores on this baby? (the 955be) AND overclock all of them?
Yeah. AMD makes four different cores -- Thuban, Deneb, Rana, and Regor. To save money, they take bad chips and disable the bad parts (ie two defective cores) and sell them as cheaper, lower-end CPUs. Thuban is native 6-core with L3 cache (Phenom II X6), Deneb is native quad-core with L3 cache (Phenom II X4), Regor is native dual core with no L3 cache (Athlon II X2). Certain Phenom II X4s (950T, 960T) are Thubans with two cores disabled. Certain Athlon II X4s (a certain 640 with a different model number that's very, very rare) are Thubans with two cores and L3 cache disabled. Half of the Athlon II X3s and all the X4s except that peculiar model number are Denebs with one or no cores disabled, respectively, and L3 cache disabled. Phenom II X2s and X3s are Denebs with two or one core disabled, respectively. Some Athlon II X3s are a native tri-core design with no L3 (Rana), and all Athlon II X2s are native dual-core with no L3 cache (Regor). Semprons are Athlon II X2s with one core disabled. Since usually the demand for these chips outweighs the bad chips GloFo makes, most of the time you will get a fully unlockable chip that was locked down to meet demand. If you unlock an X2 555 to an X4, you get an X4 B55 (essentially a 955), which if the cores are stable is fully functional as a 955. Be aware though that X2s are commonly lower binned therefore many of them won't get past 4 GHz when unlocked.

... that was probably TMI...
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Phenoms run much cooler than Intel CPUs, and you can probably get a 555 to 3.6 GHz on stock voltage...
I ran a x2 555 BE to run stable @ 3.51 GHz while undervolting to 1.325v from 1.4v stock. It also unlocked to an x4, but failmobo was noo able to feed up an unlocked processor.

I'd get the 555, it might unlock, plus if you OC even if it can't unlock, it'll beat the G620.
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Yeah. AMD makes four different cores -- Thuban, Deneb, Rana, and Regor. To save money, they take bad chips and disable the bad parts (ie two defective cores) and sell them as cheaper, lower-end CPUs. Thuban is native 6-core with L3 cache (Phenom II X6), Deneb is native quad-core with L3 cache (Phenom II X4), Regor is native dual core with no L3 cache (Athlon II X2). Certain Phenom II X4s (950T, 960T) are Thubans with two cores disabled. Certain Athlon II X4s (a certain 640 with a different model number that's very, very rare) are Thubans with two cores and L3 cache disabled. Half of the Athlon II X3s and all the X4s except that peculiar model number are Denebs with one or no cores disabled, respectively, and L3 cache disabled. Phenom II X2s and X3s are Denebs with two or one core disabled, respectively. Some Athlon II X3s are a native tri-core design with no L3 (Rana), and all Athlon II X2s are native dual-core with no L3 cache (Regor). Semprons are Athlon II X2s with one core disabled. Since usually the demand for these chips outweighs the bad chips GloFo makes, most of the time you will get a fully unlockable chip that was locked down to meet demand. If you unlock an X2 555 to an X4, you get an X4 B55 (essentially a 955), which if the cores are stable is fully functional as a 955. Be aware though that X2s are commonly lower binned therefore many of them won't get past 4 GHz when unlocked.

... that was probably TMI...
Yes, lots of info, but informative nonetheless! Thank you.

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I ran a x2 555 BE to run stable @ 3.51 GHz while undervolting to 1.325v from 1.4v stock. It also unlocked to an x4, but failmobo was noo able to feed up an unlocked processor.

I'd get the 555, it might unlock, plus if you OC even if it can't unlock, it'll beat the G620.
Thanks bro! Very true.. Should be happy with it.
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THAT MOBO IS FAIL :@
the highest HT ref I achieved on a 250 athlon2 was 227 :/
Thats pure crap :/
coup[led with only 2 dimms, weird caps, and a VERY HOT chipset heatsink ( w/o Overclocking) and has less phases to support a quad core, but with a dual core, you should be OK , and that;s a just passable OK .

Look for a better deal ,, I had the LE edition of the same board, and BTW, the chip I mentioned is basically a phenom2 545 without an L3 cache but larger (double) L2 cache !

I want to add this : The chances of a phenome 2 dual core chip hitting 4GHz are high .. and temps are lower than older intel chips.. BUT ,, on overclocking , every thing goes out of the window.

ALSO AFAIK , I had one of these, and the stock volts were some 1.35V not 1.4 .. that would suffice for a 4GHz OC.

BTW, lap these processors . they're very uneven , so that aids the cooling ,, and the dual core variants can take upto 72C .. but I would recommend a tops of 60C for the dual cores and 55C for the quads.
Edited by 0razor1 - 8/10/11 at 9:42am
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Phenoms run much cooler than Intel CPUs, and you can probably get a 555 to 3.6 GHz on stock voltage...
I'm not even sure thats generally true, but the G620 uses 65w and the 555BE (stock voltages, 2 cores) uses 80W, obviously more if you overclock or unlock additional cores. My point is this is for an HTPC where low noise or power consumption might be more desirable than raw power.
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I'm not even sure thats generally true, but the G620 uses 65w and the 555BE (stock voltages, 2 cores) uses 80W, obviously more if you overclock or unlock additional cores. My point is this is for an HTPC where low noise or power consumption might be more desirable than raw power.
Weird. My E4500 on stock never got as cold as my 555 BE stock, both with stock HSF. E4500 got as hot as 55c on IBT, while the 555 BE got tops to 46c.
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I'm not even sure thats generally true, but the G620 uses 65w and the 555BE (stock voltages, 2 cores) uses 80W, obviously more if you overclock or unlock additional cores. My point is this is for an HTPC where low noise or power consumption might be more desirable than raw power.
My 125W 955 runs at temps comparable to a 95W 2600k. And AMD usually includes a beast stock cooler, but I think the one they use for their lower end chips like the X2s are similar to Intel's. I'm certain the X4s and X6s though come with pretty nice heatsinks though. Copper base, multiple heatpipes...

AMD does fail in power consumption though.
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