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if this is taken as some sort of silverstone dubunking then do they use the best fans? my GPU's were all ten or more degrees cooler in the raven than the fabled HAF-X. the motherboard and HDD's are 6 to ten degrees cooler too. not to mention many reviews show the FT02/RV02/TJ11 on low cooler than almost every other case out on high.
It's not a Silverstone debunking. It's arguing that the rotated ATX doesn't help with cooling. The last page of the article (for those that actually read it) would know it's more about internal layout than the rotation having some magical cooling effect.

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What our testing has shown is that the Silverstone FT02B-W has great cooling, but it is not due to the case being able to work with the forces of convection. Instead, the benefit is due to the fact that the internal layout adds very little resistance between the intake and exhaust fans. In traditional cases, the front intake has to go past the hard drive mounts (and any drives installed in those mounts) before it reaches the motherboard and other hot components.
In essence, Silverstone's great idea is actually where to put the HDD cage and 5.25" drives relative to the fans, not the inverted motherboard.
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It's not a Silverstone debunking. It's arguing that the rotated ATX doesn't help with cooling. The last page of the article (for those that actually read it) would know it's more about internal layout than the rotation having some magical cooling effect.



In essence, Silverstone's great idea is actually where to put the HDD cage and 5.25" drives relative to the fans, not the inverted motherboard.
Bingo! Sir.

All cases I buy have a fan layout that's uninterrupted by a HDD rack.
The X1000 and V1020 series can produce uninterrupted airflow to the mobo.
The X1000, V1020 and my FT02 produced the nearly the same temps.
I like the FT02 better because it's shorter, stylish and less dusty.
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I could still see a horizontal set up being of benefit to a passively cooled PC. But yeah, fans>> convection.

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It's not a Silverstone debunking. It's arguing that the rotated ATX doesn't help with cooling. The last page of the article (for those that actually read it) would know it's more about internal layout than the rotation having some magical cooling effect.



In essence, Silverstone's great idea is actually where to put the HDD cage and 5.25" drives relative to the fans, not the inverted motherboard.
But the placement of the 5.25" drives and HDD cage engenders the rotated motherboard. I think they rotated it to suit their design needs and not as a "l0l hot air rizes".

I say this because very little needed to be sacrificed in way of standard case design besides fans on the bottom and a PSU hanging from the back panel. If you were to try and mimick this with horizontal motherboards, you'd end up with something looking like this : http://images.bit-tech.net/content_i...-review/12.jpg
Which just looks awkwardly tall and lacking depth. Unless you plan on completely relocating the 5.25" drives and HDD to the side panels, the rotated motherboard just makes much more design sense.
    
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But the placement of the 5.25" drives and HDD cage engenders the rotated motherboard. I think they rotated it to suit their design needs and not as a "l0l hot air rizes".

I say this because very little needed to be sacrificed in way of standard case design besides fans on the bottom and a PSU hanging from the back panel. If you were to try and mimick this with horizontal motherboards, you'd end up with something looking like this : http://images.bit-tech.net/content_i...-review/12.jpg
Which just looks awkwardly tall and lacking depth. Unless you plan on completely relocating the 5.25" drives and HDD to the side panels, the rotated motherboard just makes much more design sense.
From Silverstone's webpage about the RV01, their first case with rotated motherboard:

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For the interior, a revolutionary layout was utilized to take advantage of a very simple natural phenomenon – heat rise, by rotating the motherboard 90 degree for air to rise up more smoothly over graphics card area.
Whether that was just a marketing genius who put that there or not is irrelevant. The Air Cooling forum is now littered with fools who adamantly argue that top fans must be exhaust because heat rises. What really matters is that both Silverstone and Lian-Li made cases that achieved the same level of cooling by breaking the standard of internal case layout.

And personally, I prefer that awkwardly tall Lian-Li to the awkwardly stubby and deep Raven with expansion slots on top of the case. Though I see that as a matter of opinion.
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I'm glad they experimented to prove this so this issue will hopefully be put to rest.
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This doesn't make vertical airflow cases fraudulent gimmicks but their supporters can stop screeching in my ears now.
Not picking on any one in particle with the quotes just a sample..

This Puget article is the biggest pile of crap i've ever seen. Physically rotating the same badly designed case through 90° may not make any difference, fair enough, but that proves nothing.

Taking only the first test set up they ran (the other gives similar results, but I can't be bothered to show both) look at the temperatures of the components...





CPU horizontal (antec case) 43°c, FT02 28°c both idle.

cpu load horizontal (antec case) 94°c! FT02 62°c and so on...

Anyone looking at those results and thinking horizontal cases cool the same as verticle orientations is deluded. Yes it's mainly about layout, but as someone else described a few posts above, the layout is a direct result of rotating the motherboard.

As for Puget saying the FT02 is a dust magnet?!? They've obviously never owned one, just used it for the trial. Of course the filters will get covered in dust if you don't clean them, that's what they're for!!! Start complaining when the filters don't stop the dust and it builds up inside your case.


Edited by purpleannex - 8/15/11 at 3:44am
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post #67 of 93
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Are you reading the chart correctly? Temps for the FT-02 in both configs were basically the same.
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Are you reading the chart correctly? Temps for the FT-02 in both configs were basically the same.
Did you read my post? I wasn't disclaiming that horizontal or verticle makes any difference, I was saying those two cases tested show an enormous cooling advantage with the FT02. But that the puget article deliberately ignored that fact. It's not the rotation, but the different configuration that comes as a result of rotating, look at the temps comparing the antec to the FT02, same set ups. Also, even within their warped reasoning, the rotated antech did show a 7°c difference on load.
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Did you read my post? I wasn't disclaiming that horizontal or verticle makes any difference, I was saying those two cases tested show an enormous cooling advantage with the FT02. But that the puget article deliberately ignored that fact. It's not the rotation, but the different configuration that comes as a result of rotating, look at the temps comparing the antech to the FT02, same set ups. Also, even within their warped reasoning, the rotated antech did show a 7°c difference on load.
but the article isn't comparing the cases, it's comparing the rotation.

The Antec is cooler with the 'normal' motherboard direction rather than having it vertical .

The Silverstone gives the same temps in both orientations.

It's not about the temps between the 2 cases, but it's a comparison of the orientations for each case that is being looked at.
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As for Puget saying the FT02 is a dust magnet?!?
lol, really. this was a pretty bad article, now i'm off to the case forum to tell people how heat rises.
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