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post #71 of 93
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but the article isn't comparing the cases, it's comparing the rotation.

The Antec is cooler with the 'normal' motherboard direction rather than having it vertical .

The Silverstone gives the same temps in both orientations.

It's not about the temps between the 2 cases, but it's a comparison of the orientations for each case that is being looked at.


Please read what I wrote.

I'm fully aware of what the article is failing to prove. My point is yes if you rotate the FT02 through 90° it will show little difference in temps, but the difference to begin with is huge compared to the horizontally designed case. So people looking at this article briefly, and coming away with the conclusion that verticle or horizontal cases makes no difference are deluded. It's about the case design. The premise of the article is pointless.

There are a lot of posts here saying things like "glad the silverstone myth has been debunked", when actually if you look at the figures given by the article, it actually makes the silverstone look magical in comparison.
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post #72 of 93
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Please read what I wrote.

I'm fully aware of what the article is failing to prove. My point is yes if you rotate the FT02 through 90° it will show little difference in temps, but the difference to begin with is huge compared to the horizontally designed case. So people looking at this article briefly, and coming away with the conclusion that verticle or horizontal cases makes no difference are deluded. It's about the case design. The premise of the article is pointless.

There are a lot of posts here saying things like "glad the silverstone myth has been debunked", when actually if you look at the figures given by the article, it actually makes the silverstone look magical in comparison.
Please think about what you're saying, and what the article is trying to say.

It is not about which case or case layout its better.

The fact that the temps did not change when the FT02 was rotated quite clearly means it is not the rotation that is responsible for the low temps that case is capable of. It is the overall layout of that case. It is perfectly possible for someone to design a case that matches the FT02's performance but with the motherboard the 'right' way round - because they'd just have to use the layout shown in the 'rotated' view of that case.

The myth that has been debunked is the often-touted but completely irrelevant fact that hot air rises, so top should be exhaust crap. Not that the FT02 is a great, cool case.

Someone could come along and build a vertical-alignment case that cooled like crap - the motherboard alignment alone has little to do with the temps, it's the overall layout that's important.
post #73 of 93
so they're not the best air cooling case due to vertical orientation, but rather because of the layout. so they're still the best air cooling cases and don't result in bent videocards? i can live with that.
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so they're not the best air cooling case due to vertical orientation, but rather because of the layout. so they're still the best air cooling cases and don't result in bent videocards? i can live with that.
This. You can probably see that in most conventional cases, the hard drives are in front, thus making the cold air warmer resulting in higher temps. Basically, don't let your components receive air that's been heated by other components. I do believe the 90 degree rotation does have it's benefits. One that you've mentioned is not having bent/warped video cards or whatever else gets hot. Another is that the heat on the lower GPU won't be trapped between it and on the higher GPU if you have 2 that are mounted one right on top of the other.
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post #75 of 93
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FT02 owners: Your case is essentially a FT01, TJ07, and TJ09, TJ10, TJ11 with a rotated motherboard tray.

The commonalities are the ventilation holes on the "rear." FT01 actually has better temps with top intake than top exhaust. That debunks the whole hot air rises mantra, which is negligible for basic desktops with fans.
post #76 of 93
doesn't debunk the lower temps though. we're good.
post #77 of 93
Interesting info, but personally I don't care about the cooling as much as the amount of strain big graphics cards can put on the mobo/pci slots. With a vertical case I wouldn't have to use a whiteboard marker to keep my 580 from sagging.
Also, I don't get what's with having the HDD bay right in front of the main intake fan - why do 99% of conventional cases do this?? First thing I did was yank out my HDD bay so my 200mm fan could deliver air to my GPU+Heatsink unobstructed, and place the HDD's in the disk drive bays. Surely manufacturers/designers have realized that HDD's don't need cooling anywhere near as much as the actual components? *scratches head*
Edited by Tippy - 8/15/11 at 5:22am
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Interesting info, but personally I don't care about the cooling as much as the amount of strain big graphics cards can put on the mobo/pci slots. With a vertical case I wouldn't have to use a whiteboard marker to keep my 580 from sagging.
That's pretty much what it boils down to. Whether convection plays a role or not, there are still cooling and other benefits just due to the layout of everything.

It's just all-around smarter if you want to make the best use of the space in that form factor.
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post #79 of 93
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Please think about what you're saying, and what the article is trying to say.

It is not about which case or case layout its better.

The fact that the temps did not change when the FT02 was rotated quite clearly means it is not the rotation that is responsible for the low temps that case is capable of. It is the overall layout of that case. It is perfectly possible for someone to design a case that matches the FT02's performance but with the motherboard the 'right' way round - because they'd just have to use the layout shown in the 'rotated' view of that case.

The myth that has been debunked is the often-touted but completely irrelevant fact that hot air rises, so top should be exhaust crap. Not that the FT02 is a great, cool case.

Someone could come along and build a vertical-alignment case that cooled like crap - the motherboard alignment alone has little to do with the temps, it's the overall layout that's important.
I think your still not getting what he's saying. I think Purple means that this article is manipulating the data and only drawing attention to what they want to show to make a pre-assumed point really. The FT-02 was DESIGNED to be verticle case, so tipping it into a horizontal position just forces it to work in a way it wasn't really designed for. And the fact that a case purposely designed vertically absolutely decimated the temps of a purposely designed horizontal case.

So when you think about it, vertical still appears to be better, they just mask this obvious bit of info by tipping the case on its side (against the design) and say "see, no difference" while ignoring the fact that the reason its temps are far better than other cases is because of the design.

Although, one could say that it should have had worse temps when horizontal if the positioning mattered... So its all about layout/fans rather than vertical vs horizontal. I'm getting confused... too early in the morning...
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Interesting info, but personally I don't care about the cooling as much as the amount of strain big graphics cards can put on the mobo/pci slots. With a vertical case I wouldn't have to use a whiteboard marker to keep my 580 from sagging.
Also, I don't get what's with having the HDD bay right in front of the main intake fan - why do 99% of conventional cases do this?? First thing I did was yank out my HDD bay so my 200mm fan could deliver air to my GPU+Heatsink unobstructed, and place the HDD's in the disk drive bays. Surely manufacturers/designers have realized that HDD's don't need cooling anywhere near as much as the actual components? *scratches head*
Get enough drives in there, use them in warm ambients, and they will need some air flow to stay in their ideal temperature range.

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And the fact that a case purposely designed vertically absolutely decimated the temps of a purposely designed horizontal case.[
Not all of them.

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So when you think about it, vertical still appears to be better, they just mask this obvious bit of info by tipping the case on its side (against the design) and say "see, no difference" while ignoring the fact that the reason its temps are far better than other cases is because of the design.
No.

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Although, one could say that it should have had worse temps when horizontal if the positioning mattered... So its all about layout/fans rather than vertical vs horizontal.
Yes.
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