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Originally Posted by bojinglebells;14624836 
how many people are mouth breathing palmers who handle their mouse like a fondling drunk frat boy?

there are plenty of finger/claw grippers out there, this design is one of the absolute best when it comes to grip ambiguity, if you absolutely have to have a mouse crafted to fit your hand like a glove because you're too lazy to actually grip it there are plenty of options out there

I think you missed all the ergonomics studies that were done prior to the release of the Ikari and that seems to be forgotten to Steelseries itself.

Luckily there are other choices. I'll check the Xai/Sensei grip in the shop when it's there. Anyway, why I should use a mouse that is less confortable to have a few features is beyond reason....
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Reviews like this is the reason why steelseries is forced to make mice like the sensai

"Of course as expected from the 3200DPI laser sensor the Kova+ is not targeted towards hardcore/professional gamers and enthusiasts alike, that's something the Kone+ excels at along with several other 5000DPI+ units in the market. However because of its accuracy, price tag and range of features the Kova+ is the ideal choice for casual gamers and for people who want something better than the average optical mouse"

The general belief is that you need high dpi and glowing lights to play games on a hardcore/professional level
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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa View Post
Reviews like this is the reason why steelseries is forced to make mice like the sensai

"Of course as expected from the 3200DPI laser sensor the Kova+ is not targeted towards hardcore/professional gamers and enthusiasts alike, that's something the Kone+ excels at along with several other 5000DPI+ units in the market. However because of its accuracy, price tag and range of features the Kova+ is the ideal choice for casual gamers and for people who want something better than the average optical mouse"

The general belief is that you need high dpi and glowing lights to play games on a hardcore/professional level
Of course. Optical mice are gross and laser pwns everything.
post #154 of 690
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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa View Post
Reviews like this is the reason why steelseries is forced to make mice like the sensai

"Of course as expected from the 3200DPI laser sensor the Kova+ is not targeted towards hardcore/professional gamers and enthusiasts alike, that's something the Kone+ excels at along with several other 5000DPI+ units in the market. However because of its accuracy, price tag and range of features the Kova+ is the ideal choice for casual gamers and for people who want something better than the average optical mouse"

The general belief is that you need high dpi and glowing lights to play games on a hardcore/professional level
Who the hell plays at that DPI? It's impossible to aim accurately at such a high DPI. That stuff pisses me off.
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post #155 of 690
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Originally Posted by Juhisp View Post
I guess this means the pixart sensor? If so, that is great news, as that is a pretty damn near perfect sensor. If steelseries release as small ambidextrous mouse with that sensor, I will definitely buy it.
Start saving a buck. Possibly around 50ish of them.

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Originally Posted by redwarrior191 View Post
Kim, then do you have any details about this Kana?? Or is it just an Ikari with shining light and double CPI??
It has nothing to do with the Ikari shape.

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Originally Posted by Telstar View Post
Please make a successor of the ikari laser with metal cover and the new software. it's LONG TIME due.
It is not something we are currently testing, but it is something we are debating. If I see enough people asking for this, it may very well be something we put on the roadmap.

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Originally Posted by gyoung View Post
Thank you for responding!

I was really glad to see the post but when I read it again and again, it still seems like a cop out to whatever you guys said in "Don't Believe the Hype".

You're now essentially doing exactly the same thing that you said we shouldn't believe back when I bought the Xai. You guys have essentially become part of the "hype". Say what you will about how there's great features etc etc (I don't think you'd say any less) but what do you and Steelseries stand for now?

I don't think I could watch another video or read another blog without wondering, after I buy this product, a couple of years from now, will I see another post saying "hey, we're all like you, but due to etc etc, we had to change what we said, but we're still good!"

And I wonder how the people who like the Sensei (and are the same people who buy them off shelves etc) would like to know that you don't really believe what you're selling to them - and that you think they've just bought into the fluff and inflated DPI number - the same hype you now subscribe to?

I have a lot of respect that you responded and I'm glad that you have, and for that, I look forward to trying out the Kana (I will still give you guys that). I hope it won't disappoint.

PS: Thanks for clearing up the issue on the blog - it's still odd that you guys migrated everything with just a "For Maintenance" sign when you could have just pointed it to the new site just days after this issue became live. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
I guess you can see everything from a multitude of viewpoints. I will give you 3 right now, the truth as I see it is some weird combination of all 3:

1) we can keep making mice for "ourselves" (and a very small segment of the market) and go out of business - who wins by that?
2) we can listen to the market, add the fluff and beef up the design so it communicates the performance we feel the product has - and still include those features we feel make a difference - who loses by that?
3) we are sell outs, we betrayed our own viewpoints to make tons of cash, buy new luxury cars, upgrade the silicone implants in our trophy wives, and do amazing coke parties - I don't think I would be visiting this forum if that was the case. No, really, I would be busy doing something else.

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You have a point there, bojinglebells. The Ikari is a bit of a lazy hand mouse, made more for the hand to just lay on it. Or to use it at a low sens and just move it around with the entire arm.

At the same time, I'm not sure a symmetrical mouse is really the best approach for a good finger/claw grip either.

And there are definitely not plenty of options out there. Not if you want a good sensor, a good mousewheel etc. to come with the mouse.
I get so frustrated when I see the same essential things missing in mice, if it's not one thing it's another:
1. good sensor
2. thin cable
3. good buttons and scroll wheel
4. at least 5 buttons

These are not really a matter of taste or preference, 'cept for the 5 buttons, maybe, but I doubt there are many people who would be opposed to having more than 3 buttons.

For me the Ikari Optical is good in most aspects, really, but I sometimes wish for something smaller and more claw-like grip friendly, something that I can easily move around with my wrist. And a bit higher CPI wouldn't hurt either. Not in game, but in Windows with high resolutions.
On paper, the CM Spawn looked like it could be it. But I haven't tried it and from what I hear it has some significant flaws.
Remember that even within the "grip styles" there are a ton of variance. My claw will probably be different that your claw. I am personally really, really proud of Ikari. I still find it an amazingly comfortable mouse and I still believe that we as a team came up with some really cool **** during that development period. When I look at it today I also see a lot of arrogance hidden in the design and the choices we made, we were REALLY trying to make the perfect mouse for everyone. We succeeded for everyone who likes exactly what we like. Cough. ;-)

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Originally Posted by Quicken View Post
dear steelseries, please develop the kana especially for us the obsessed ones with input fetish. thanks.
I am taking notes, I am taking notes.

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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post
I guess the accel can be preference along with it's well above average amounts of correction, but it's hard for me to consider it a gaming grade sensor when the thing malfunctions earlier than a 250hz+ intellimouse from 2002. Then again, Avago only rated their high performance sensors at 60 IPS which isn't too far off. Ah well, can't really complain if people like it, but I DO think there should have been more options for the people that wanted an all around solid mouse. I mean it isn't impossible to set/toggle correction and accel with other sensors or the game engine itself
We are discontinuing that sensor. But make no mistake that we have sold a ton of Kinzu, and that some of the best Counter-Strike players in the world swear by it. And yes, we are still discontinuing it, because you do have a point.

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Originally Posted by jeffxx View Post
I said ambidextrous 'wmo type' shape. I like the edges curved downward and what not. you get my drift.

ANYWAYS...

I hope Kim responds to these posts. It's pretty pointless to come on here and then not respond to anything after claiming he would.
He is known for being a tease. I wouldn't get my hopes up.
post #156 of 690
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Originally Posted by kimrom View Post
3) we are sell outs, we betrayed our own viewpoints to make tons of cash, buy new luxury cars, upgrade the silicone implants in our trophy wives, and do amazing coke parties - I don't think I would be visiting this forum if that was the case. No, really, I would be busy doing something else.
Don't go for the DD implants, with the safed money you can hire someone to visit the forums for you.

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We are discontinuing that sensor. But make no mistake that we have sold a ton of Kinzu, and that some of the best Counter-Strike players in the world swear by it. And yes, we are still discontinuing it, because you do have a point.
More like ST is discontinuing the sensor because they are kind of forced to do it by Avago.
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Kim Rom's posts are very reasonable. I'm now looking forward to the Kana as a legitimate option for my next mouse. And I wouldn't mind if it had some of the Sensei's "sleekness," as long as the sensor was top class.
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post #158 of 690
The kana sound very promising especially now its clear that the sensor will be the pixart sensor. Please just make the mousefeet is made of teflon instead of the plastic feet of the kinzu
post #159 of 690
What are the DPI options/perfect control speed/malfunction speed on the Pixart sensor?
post #160 of 690
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Originally Posted by kimrom View Post


We are discontinuing that sensor. But make no mistake that we have sold a ton of Kinzu, and that some of the best Counter-Strike players in the world swear by it. And yes, we are still discontinuing it, because you do have a point.
Are you sure that isn't due to sponsorship? I want Rapha's custom Wheel Mouse Xai ;o


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