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Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

He did NOT fire at the police, you just said the bullet came from another cop. In the next sentence you say he deserved to die?

The gun found on the scene was NOT fired.

If he's a drug dealer, he deserves to die? Interesting.

So, the cop who killed him, deserves a medal?

Besides, this sort of thing just doesn't happen anywhere, and is NOT justified.
Once again you fight with a sword you die from a sword.
Normal people do not carry loaded guns , do not sell drugs/ are members of gangs and they are not under surveillance by special Police squads.
You play with fire you get burnt.
It's a shame he died but blaming Policeman for doing his job is pure idiocy , i bet if he was selling drugs to your kids or mugged/shot your kid on the street your opinion would be different.
And yes i would give that Policeman a medal for risking his life to protect me and my family.
Edited by RobotDevil666 - 8/11/11 at 11:39am
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IPCC has reported that he didn't fire the shoots at the police.


His death was unnecessary if the Police Officer tried to look like he did it.
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It's a shame he died but blaming Policeman for doing his job is pure idiocy ,
The point is, maybe he was overstepping his job description.

The news report I read said that he (Duggan) opened fire on police, who returned fire and killed him. If the bullet they say he fired into the police man's radio isn't his, how did they decide to shoot him? The gun wasn't fired, so someone manufactured a story about how a man was killed.

Gang member or not, killing should be the last step taken. If this was not the case, and especially if someone lied to cover that up, no amount of police attachment should shield them from punishment. Blind support for the officer is no less idiotic than blind support for the other party.
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Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

He did NOT fire at the police, you just said the bullet came from another cop. In the next sentence you say he deserved to die?

The gun found on the scene was NOT fired.

If he's a drug dealer, he deserves to die? Interesting.

So, the cop who killed him, deserves a medal?

Besides, this sort of thing just doesn't happen anywhere, and is NOT justified.
There are differing accounts of the event, nobody will know what exactly happened until the official enquiry is conducted.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

Fired or not, he was armed - when do you think the Police are justified to fire back, once one of them is already dead?

The lengths you need to go through to acquire a gun in the first place means he knew he was not meant to have a gun in the first place.

Are you going to try and tell me there was a good reason that a known drug dealer had a gun which prompted a response from armed police in a pre-planned operation?

If you care to read what I said, I stated that he deserved the response he got (Hostile response from armed police). He was carrying a loaded gun and I'd rather he was put down before a member of the police or an innocent bystander was killed just because some 'gangsta' scum thinks he is above the law.

If you carry a weapon, especially one you intend to harm others with, there are going to be consequences, most probably hostile towards your person. It's not like some randomly police officer appeared and shot him, it was a pre-planned operation targeting him (Justifiably, he DID have a weapon).
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So owning a weapon is tantamount to murder, and justifies a shoot first ask later policy?

I'm glad you aren't a cop, and sad that any of them share your mentality.

Police lead dangerous jobs and should be kept safe, but they should not be allowed to kill someone armed or not, without first taking other steps to resolve the issue.
    
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Once again you fight with a sword you die from a sword.
Normal people do not carry loaded guns , do not sell drugs/ are members of gangs and they are not under surveillance by special Police squads.
You play with fire you get burnt.
It's a shame he died but blaming Policeman for doing his job is pure idiocy , i bet if he was selling drugs to your kids or mugged/shot your kid on the street your opinion would be different.
And yes i would give that Policeman a medal for risking his life to protect me and my family.
IF he fired at the police, then completely justified self defense.

But he DID NOT fire at the police, and therefore he was murdered.

You can't shoot first, ask questions later, once you die, there's no coming back from that is there?

If the Police didn't kill him, would there had been a peaceful protest, which later turned to riots?

Now the rioter issue is a whole other ball game, and those guys are not helping the cause, but being opportunistic of the situation, and hope they get caught.

I'm talking about the ROOT problem that spun all of this. He should have never been shot in the 1st place, as there was no just cause.

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So owning a weapon is tantamount to murder, and justifies a shoot first ask later policy?

I'm glad you aren't a cop, and sad that any of them share your mentality.

Police lead dangerous jobs and should be kept safe, but they should not be allowed to kill someone armed or not, without first taking other steps to resolve the issue.
Exactly.
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So owning a weapon is tantamount to murder, and justifies a shoot first ask later policy?

I'm glad you aren't a cop, and sad that any of them share your mentality.

Police lead dangerous jobs and should be kept safe, but they should not be allowed to kill someone armed or not, without first taking other steps to resolve the issue.
You talk as if it's so black and white.

There are more than the 2 outcomes you seem to think are available:

1) He shot - he deserved to be shot
2) He didn't shoot - he didn't deserve to be shot

He could have TRIED to shoot and as a preventative was shot?

How do you know steps weren't taken to try and calmly resolve the situation?

If it was to prevent the attempted murder of a police officer, it's definitely justified that they opened fire.

Nobody will know all the facts until the official enquiry has been conducted.
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He could have TRIED to shoot and as a preventative was shot?

How do you know steps weren't taken to try and calmly resolve the situation?

If it was to prevent the attempted murder of a police officer, it's definitely justified that they opened fire.

Nobody will know all the facts until the official enquiry has been conducted.
How do you entertain that maybe he did this and that in order to validate him being shot, but won't entertain the possibility that maybe he didn't do anything and was shot by an overzealous police officer?

If it was so cut and dry, why did they report that he opened fire on them, when he didn't?

That casts enough doubt for me to question it all. No one will know until a formal inquiry is made, or whatever you guys call it over there. However the fact that the police said he opened fire, and the gun wasn't fired. Well, that seems to speak for itself.

The background of the person in question is almost moot. He could be a very evil man, that still doesn't give anyone the right to take his life unnecessarily.
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So owning a weapon is tantamount to murder, and justifies a shoot first ask later policy?

I'm glad you aren't a cop, and sad that any of them share your mentality.

Police lead dangerous jobs and should be kept safe, but they should not be allowed to kill someone armed or not, without first taking other steps to resolve the issue.
I would really like to see YOU on that street facing a well known gang member with a gun in his hand.
That would surly change your point of view my friend.
You're willing to excuse a criminal and use every way to twist it around but you don't think that this Policeman is out there protecting YOU from things like that.
Some people that live in quiet clean suburbs do not have a clue how life looks in the big cities in not so prestigious areas.
Once again it's a shame he died and if you didn't notice Police did not 'shoot to kill' it was just unfortunate.
And don't twist my words please I am talking about this PARTICULAR situation nothing else , this Policeman did his job period.
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The British parliament really show their fascist side in the face of chaos. You cannot subvert an angry mass by taking away even more rights. You want people to stay inside and not riot? Keep the God damn internets on.
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