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Nick, if you could convince Micron or Elpida to jump back on the performance train. I'd buy some for sure! Mushkin Redline II's ? Good the prices may be, but every thing on the market currently is a downgrade/sidegrade to me...at best.
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post #52 of 69
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
http://www.dramexchange.com/WeeklyRe...st/2/2785.html



Reads like a financial analysis (because it is)... but DRAM prices are dropping below manufacturing costs.
is it really below manufacturing costs?? now I feel bad for Ram manufacturers
    
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RAM doesn't have channels.
Excuse me Mr. Pedantic, so sorry for not saying "triple channel RAM kits".

You count the threads in your bedsheets too and complain when your 200 count is 199?
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post #54 of 69
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I'm not complaining. I want to try 16GB of memory
Too bad you won't get there with 2GB DIMMs.

Oh, 4GB prices dropped too. Nevermind then.
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Protip to RAM manufacturers: Stop making RAM.

Make the people realize how valuable you are. Then, when prices are back up to ~$500 for a 1GB stick, you all come back to save the day!
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Supply is too high for current lower-than-expected demand... so low prices. As companies cut production, prices should rise... but they are only slowly cutting production and demand is even worse now. We should see the bottoming out of 2GB modules in the next month or two though.
Its not that simple. The semiconductor industry is very fragile: you can't compete if you don't invest billions every year to keep your fabs updated but, once you are there, you can't stop producing because then the bills sky-rocket.

Also, improving the integration nodes does not mean making the same chips at a lesser cost...you just put more dies per waffer, but waffer quantity doesn't change much: which means that you get more production.

Now, we are seeing exactly what we saw a few years ago with that sudden negative spike in the SSD world: demand dropped suddenly, but supply couldn't and thus the prices got reaaaaaaaaaaaally low.

So, don't expect this to be forever. Prices will probably rise once demand reaches its normal level again or fabs can adjust (but this requires a heck of money and time. You didn't invest billions to get more production just to downgrade your fabs...).
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post #57 of 69
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Nick, if you could convince Micron or Elpida to jump back on the performance train. I'd buy some for sure! Mushkin Redline II's ? Good the prices may be, but every thing on the market currently is a downgrade/sidegrade to me...at best.
I wish we could! I miss CL6 1600 and CL8 2000!

The unfortunate reality is that performance memory is a very small fraction of the overall DRAM market. The bulk of it is OEM's like Dell, HP, IBM, Apple, and the like.

They don't really care about performance, only price. This means that the IC manufacturers like Samsung, Micron, Elpida, etc... make their primary goal reducing costs. That's why you see die revisions happening much much more often than they used to. Smaller die size = more IC's per wafer and a lower overall cost and price. Unfortunately, smaller die sizes also tend to lead to reduced performance.

At the end of the day, the reality of the current market is that DDR3-1333 4GB is the biggest seller for pretty much every memory company (us included).

We would love nothing more than to keep offering stuff like the old Hyper-based parts (minus that whole premature death thing) if for no other reason than it's fun. Honestly, dev still spends a lot of time trying to come up with truly badass parts, and given the current chip selection they do a great job.

We got started doing performance memory, and it's always kind of been our thing. We've grown a lot in recent years, introduced new products/lines (USB drives, SSD's, our Select line, etc...), but we've always tried to stick to this core part of our business.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Detroitsoldier View Post
Protip to RAM manufacturers: Stop making RAM.

Make the people realize how valuable you are. Then, when prices are back up to ~$500 for a 1GB stick, you all come back to save the day!
Hah, I wish some of those big guys would heed this advice sometimes. The thing is, they'll produce/sell at a loss to gain market share.
Edited by MushkinNick - 8/12/11 at 5:22am
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This should effect all parts of a PC as people are not upgrading due to the gaming industry's focus on 6 year old consoles.
Edited by Gunderman456 - 8/12/11 at 6:27am
 
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post #59 of 69
I just saw an 8GB DDR3 CL9 kit on sale for $35... This is madness (The consumer-friendly kind - Not Sparta). They are making it harder for me to resist building a HTPC/Minecraft/File Server...

Hurry, Nick! Get to the product-differentiation-copter

Also, convince them to bring back the Bargain Bin in a revised format that wards against macros.
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The price is already pretty low. I got recently 16 gigs for 70 euros, thats just 17,5 euros per 4 gb stick.

In the case of RAM in my opinion quantity trumps quality Even if games (and other 32 bit programs) cant usually use more than 2 gigs of it. You can do regardless of that pretty awesome things with more RAM - like for example loading the program you are running fully in RAM and thus avoiding the HD bottleneck. RAM is even faster than SSD's.

What I'm personally waiting for is some nice 5,25'' box, loaded with RAM, a HD or SSD big enough to hold contents of that RAM if power goes out and a small battery (strong enough to last enough to back up contents of the RAM to HD or SSD).

I know there are those out there, but I dont want to pay 500$ for it - it cant be that expensive to make these. Besides these use DDR2 or even regular DDR and those sticks are not that cheap anymore.
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