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Bloated, when describing software, means taking up more resources necessary to achieve a desired function.

Since Origin has only an arbitrary function, could easily be dispensed with, with no downsides to the consumer, and since it uses ~80MiB of memory where under five would do, it pretty much defines bloat.

I use several bloated pieces of software (Windows itself is one of the worst), but only because they're are no viable alternatives, and serve a necessary function. BF3 is far from the only tactical shooter around, and isn't required for anything else.

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So Origin is Bloated because you don't like it? Is it confusing it have it on your system?
Not even close to what he said.

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Are you sure your not on a Mac right now? Maybe you should be :/
Mac OS, and most software for it, is pretty damn bloated.
Edited by Blameless - 8/11/11 at 9:46pm
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Look guys, its simple, we are dropping the ball if we let these things slide. Generations to come will wonder what happened to PC gaming and why our generation was willing to settle.

Think about what we've lost and are still losing in gradual steps.

I remember when I'd buy 3-4 games, play them all and then trade them for a new PC game and start over.

Now with this CD Keys and online DRM we no longer can do that.

We lost LAN, dedicated servers, are required to install 3rd party software to run our games, required online connectivity for single player games and more and more successful IPs are turning into MMO light.

In effect we lost ownership of our hard earned games. Enough is enough. There won't be anything left for the next generation. When will YOU draw the line? When they rent you the priviledge of playing their games on an hourly basis?

We are simply dropping the ball.

Make a good game and I'll buy it. Don't crusify your customers because of piracy when in reality you make either crap games, are trying to fight second hand sales and squease more money from your customers by making everything F2P/MMO light.
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Origin bloating...

can anyone who actually owns Origin right now please run it and give us a show of system resource usage, and we can compare that to your sig system and determine just how much it really is using, and how much of a "burden" it will really be.

coz imo thats a pathetic excuse to not get this game or use Origin, coz it will "use resources".

and lets compare its usage to Steam while we're at it.

if given the choice and it was available on Steam, its no competition what platform i'd get it on but since its not on Steam, im getting Origin.

but Steam has to be running at all times as we all know, games actually have to be launched from Steam too, as we all know.

so i'd like to see a side-by-side comparison of both. in terms of usage.
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My problem with Origin isn't the concept of it, I'm an avid Steam user and buy all my games from Steam. My problem is with EA.

They have repeatedly shown that they are anti-customer with their complete and utter lack of anything that could be mistaken for customer service. They routinely pack their games with ineffective and therefore completely pointless DRM that does nothing but make playing difficult for the legit customer. Their policy of taking a game from your account if you haven't played it for 24 months, and making you buy it again if you want to play it again, is absolutely absurd.

They have repeatedly shown themselves to be anti-gamer by buying out great developing studios and then forcing them to push out boring and derivative works quickly for maximum short-term profits, thus destroying them and forcing them to close their doors. The list is literally too long, and you can see it happening to Bioware right before your eyes. Dragon Age: Origins, started before the EA era, brilliant game; Dragon Age 2, started and finished in merely a year, the term "least common denominator" comes to mind.

Valve got me off the pirate ship and onto the Steam boat with great customer service, features that I like, and good business ethics. Valve and Steam have my business because they care about their customers. EA has a track record of the exact opposite. So why should I support EA when they do not care about me at all?
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My problem with Origin isn't the concept of it, I'm an avid Steam user and buy all my games from Steam. My problem is with EA.

They have repeatedly shown that they are anti-customer with their complete and utter lack of anything that could be mistaken for customer service. They routinely pack their games with ineffective and therefore completely pointless DRM that does nothing but make playing difficult for the legit customer. Their policy of taking a game from your account if you haven't played it for 24 months, and making you buy it again if you want to play it again, is absolutely absurd.

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Valve got me off the pirate ship and onto the Steam boat with great customer service, features that I like, and good business ethics. Valve and Steam have my business because they care about their customers. EA has a track record of the exact opposite. So why should I support EA when they do not care about me at all?
valve has also always supported dev/mod community, for the most part. look online at battlefield 2/bc2 forums, tons of bugs that are still disrupting game play (i've been victim to a few of them) ever since the games were released.
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Origin bloating...

can anyone who actually owns Origin right now please run it and give us a show of system resource usage, and we can compare that to your sig system and determine just how much it really is using, and how much of a "burden" it will really be.

coz imo thats a pathetic excuse to not get this game or use Origin, coz it will "use resources".

and lets compare its usage to Steam while we're at it.

if given the choice and it was available on Steam, its no competition what platform i'd get it on but since its not on Steam, im getting Origin.

but Steam has to be running at all times as we all know, games actually have to be launched from Steam too, as we all know.

so i'd like to see a side-by-side comparison of both. in terms of usage.
Tada! Oh and I threw in Impulse for the heck of it (two because "ImpulseNow" is the tray application, I don't normally leave Impulse.exe running). Oh, and the average CPU dropped to nearly zero for all of them after another minute or two, I think it just spiked because I had opened them. Don't worry, your .5% CPU cycles are safe!

Edited by Xeio - 8/11/11 at 9:56pm
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We lost LAN, dedicated servers, are required to install 3rd party software to run our games, required online connectivity for single player games and more and more successful IPs are turning into MMO light.
Yep. People have accepted paying more, while getting less, with more strings attached.

If this is acceptable to them, fine, but I drew my line in the sand a long time ago, and any game that crosses it won't generate one red cent of revenue from me.

If I cannot have it my way, I am more than happy to go without.

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Origin bloating...

can anyone who actually owns Origin right now please run it and give us a show of system resource usage, and we can compare that to your sig system and determine just how much it really is using, and how much of a "burden" it will really be.
Just because it's cost is affordable doesn't mean it's a good buy.
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Tada! Oh and I threw in Impulse for the heck of it (two because "ImpulseNow" is the tray application, I don't normally leave Impulse.exe running). Oh, and the average CPU dropped to nearly zero for all of them after another minute or two, I think it just spiked because I had opened them. Don't worry, your .5% CPU cycles are safe!
sorry bit of a noob in this area, whats the 'working set' field for?

coz other than that, Origin uses barely anything, and less than Steam. which makes the "origin bloating the system" argument compeletely useless.

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Just because it's cost is affordable doesn't mean it's a good buy.
sorry, while i understand the comment in general, and agree with it in general, how does that have anything to do with what im talking about here?
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Looks ike no BF3 for me, oh well...

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It's almost like EA wants to encourage piracy.
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