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If you have any games that require Steam to be running when you play then you have already supported this kind of system. You can't now turn around and act surprised (well you can but it makes you look rather stupid) and upset that another company has now decided to copy a very successful tried and tested system.
Just for their games, this is where the problem lies. Steam lets anyone in if they are willing to abide by their rules(which tbh can't be all that strict since so many are on it), sure I'd be much less apprehensive and probably a supporter if they let other devs in, but they don't. Its EA exclusive, and therefore isn't a competitor to steam.
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Just for their games, this is where the problem lies. Steam lets anyone in if they are willing to abide by their rules(which tbh can't be all that strict since so many are on it), sure I'd be much less apprehensive and probably a supporter if they let other devs in, but they don't. Its EA exclusive, and therefore isn't a competitor to steam.
You can see their business thinking though, Valve are probably getting an odd 25% cut of the sale price just for distribution, when they could do it themselves.

The suits probably think it's a fantastic idea, but for gamers it's just a pain.
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EA has much better customer service than valve... With valve you're lucky to get a response from a customer service rep within a week, with EA you log in and get connected to a live chat within 10 minutes and the reps that you have to work with are usually friendly and really helpful.
Really? I've had completely the opposite experience. Valve have always been helpful, and EA have always taken ages and been generally poor. I had my Rock Band foot pedal snap and it took them 2 months to get me a replacement.
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Called it.
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Just for their games, this is where the problem lies. Steam lets anyone in if they are willing to abide by their rules(which tbh can't be all that strict since so many are on it), sure I'd be much less apprehensive and probably a supporter if they let other devs in, but they don't. Its EA exclusive, and therefore isn't a competitor to steam.
You're missing the point.

That point being that steam started off with just Valve and grew into other things.

EA is doing exactly the same thing. They are starting out with their own games, and have made it clear that they would like to branch out into general digital distribution.

They are following a business model that was done by someone else first.

That means that if they have a problem with supporting such a business model or anything else like it, they should have starting with not helping the business model to become so successful in the first place (aka by not supporting steam.).

However, these same people are stating their allegiance to steam while at the same time crucifying any other company who will only be following a trend they helped to create.
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Called it.
It was obvious it was going to be needed,
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You're missing the point.

That point being that steam started off with just Valve and grew into other things.

EA is doing exactly the same thing. They are starting out with their own games, and have made it clear that they would like to branch out into general digital distribution.

They are following a business model that was done by someone else first.

That means that if they have a problem with supporting such a business model or anything like it from anywhere else, they should have starting with not helping the business model to become so successful in the first place (aka by not supporting steam.).
Please give me a press release where they have clearly(or even implied that), as far as I've seen they are not going to let other devs in. Until I see another developers game on it, I will call shenanigans and brand this as rumours. Keep in mind steam didn't start off how EA did though, it was started to make releasing patches for CS much easier. They didn't even distribute the actual game over it until much later(and up until that time it was optional)... and was, not surprisingly the same time they signed up other developers for it. This isn't the same lol
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Don't really see the problem. Bought BC2 through Steam, pretty useless I only use the overlay to check time.

I've wanted a game like BF2 for a while, and hopefully BF3 will deliver.
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It was obvious it was going to be needed,


Please give me a press release where they have clearly(or even implied that), as far as I've seen they are not going to let other devs in. Until I see another developers game on it, I will call shenanigans and brand this as rumours. Keep in mind steam didn't start off how EA did though, it was started to make releasing patches for CS much easier. They didn't even distribute the actual game over it until much later(and up until that time it was optional)... and was, not surprisingly the same time they signed up other developers for it. This isn't the same lol
Call shenanigans all you'd like. I honestly cant be bothered to find the video/article or wherever I saw it. They have said that they'd like to become a leader in digital distribution and even they know they aren't going to achieve that simply selling EA games.

Also, Origin is simply EAs download manager with visual/functional updates. That downloader that already existed was mainly used for patching games etc, but its evolved into a game distribution/social hub too.

And of course EA are not going to copy to the tee what Valve did when starting steam, as there wasn't exactly the kind of competition there is now when Steam started, nor is was there the technology.

At the end of the day, if steam die hards are going to say "I don't like this idea and I dont want all other games companies to start doing this", they should realise that they should have thought about that BEFORE helping make steam and its business model as successful as it is right now.
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What the EA Origin sympathizers don't seem to understand is that most of us who are not buying BF3 aren't doing it because we are Valve fanboys or EA haters. We refuse to buy BF3 because we do not trust EA, and with good reason. EA has proven itself time and time again that it cannot be trusted.

Why would we install a background process from an untrustworthy company? Why would we give absolute control over the "ownership" of our game to an untrustworthy company? It makes no sense.
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I refuse to purchase any game that requires Steam, Origin, or anything besides the game itself, to be running in the background.

It's an absolute deal breaker for me, no exceptions. Not even if it were the best game in the world, and they paid me to play it.

I do not want this garbage on any of my systems. They may as well try to get me to keep a rancid turd on my kitchen table.
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