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The thing is though... we can fight it as consumers. I'd much rather go down with a fight, I can live with BF2/BC2 and COD4 for a bit longer....
As I said before, people who didn't want to have the possibility of having to install multiple distribution software from different publishers (due to them only being available to play via their system), should not have supported THE trend setter of such business.

Steam.

Especially not supported it to the point where they now literally cant even fathom using another client due to the amount of time and money they've personally invested in it.

Therefore, those who invested so much time and money in popularizing a trend (to the point where they cant even seperate from it to enjoy a game they know they would enjoy), should be the LAST guys talking about not wanting to support it, when that is EXACTLY what they have been doing.

The problem is that people are only against something like this when it is not beneficial to them.

They couldn't care less about making the business model so successful when they were getting all their sales and hyping steam through the nostril etc,

There are people in the "New counter strike!" threads literally boasting about the thousands of hours they've spent supporting a business model other publishers would now like a piece of (playing CS).

Yet they will post in this thread about their diamond strong opposition of supporting this trend.


That's why I personally cant take those who only rebel NOW seriously.

Those who are against it fully, I understand.

But those who support when everything falls into place nicely, then bring out the pitch forks when things stop going in their direction? No sympathy.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/12/11 at 8:18am
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Like he says, if thats all you want, then prepare to be playing nothing but Valve games in the future when being able to distribute your own games digitally becomes a cakewalk for major publishers.

You can WANT to use nothing but steam till the day you die, but you WILL unfortunately be subjected to the realities of life.
And you buying into this will make it more a reality. If people don't buy it then then other publishers will see that it won't work. As it stands now every major publisher is going to do this and our computers are going to become big pieces of crapware.

I'm sorry these guys didn't think about it before but thats life. I'm sorry the Zune didn't do well against the iPod.
    
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Sadly, no steam means no buy from e as i like to have all my games and friends in one place.
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The thing is though... we can fight it as consumers. I'd much rather go down with a fight, I can live with BF2/BC2 and COD4 for a bit longer....
So you would rather fight a game with 64 players, dx11, large maps made for PC just because its not on steam? while supporting some consolized valve game like l4d with 8 players and a graphics engine that is 8 years old? Or how about duke nukem forever? that crap was one of the worst games ever but hey it had steam integration. Im sorry I would rather support pc gaming than throwing my support at some launch software.
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The thing is though... we can fight it as consumers. I'd much rather go down with a fight, I can live with BF2/BC2 and COD4 for a bit longer....
Meh... at the end of the day, it is just another video game. Some posters here act like its an issue of life or death when we avoid a game or two for whatever reasons. Even with my existing video games, I would be busy enough during my luxury hours that I won't miss games like BF3 at all. Without BF3, I already have the current games I still have yet to finish:

- Fallout 3* (FINALLY got it running past the roach part)
- League of Legends***
- Vindictus*
- Minecraft***
- Just Cause 2**
- L4D2***
- TF2***

* - Just started or not started yet
** - Partially complete
*** - Cannot be completed

These are just the games I have already that I am actively playing or plan to play. Future games include:

- TEH: Skyrim
- Bioshock Infinite
- Mass Effect 3 (Unless it requires Origin too)
- Diablo 3
- Borderlands 2
- NBA 2K12
- Rage

As you can see, between sleep, eat, work, gaming, and other stuff, I have more than enough things to do. Missing BF3 is unfortunate, but I can easily live with the decision.
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So you would rather fight a game with 64 players, dx11, large maps made for PC just because its not on steam? while supporting some consolized valve game like l4d with 8 players and a graphics engine that is 8 years old? Or how about duke nukem forever? that crap was one of the worst games ever but hey it had steam integration. Im sorry I would rather support pc gaming than throwing my support at some launch software.
You fail to see my point though, it is the principle of it all. I was in the alpha, the way the game was implemented... well I didn't like it, at all. Sure, I didn't mind EADM when it was around, it was just another D2D but what they are trying to do with it... they are trying so very hard to copy steam, but are missing one fundamental element, games from other developers.

As for your points:

1.BF2 had 64 player maps, was PC only and was a brilliant game for 2004. No doubt BF3 will be too, but what I have seen of origin has made me apprehensive, if there is no steam overlay I probably won't buy it(and I will stand my ground, not go and buy it on release haha).

2. The L4D series was made for the PC, it was only ported later, and to the 360 only so calling it consolised is a bit stupid. Not to mention it is one of the better MP games I've played.

3.The source engine is old, but it still looks brilliant for its age. This is because they keep on upgrading it... I mean if I compared CS:S to portal 2, I would've thought they were completely different engines. That is because valve saw no reason to change, I mean portal 2 is up there as one of the prettiest games around for me(the level of detail is astounding).

4. Seriously? Duke nukem as an example? I do not care for steam achievements and stuff, only that I can have the steam overlay which in the BF3 alpha wasn't supposed to work!

5. Supporting PC gaming != making a better future for PC gaming. Gaming now is a business, we cannot change that fact, however we can change what devs think we want, that is fact. We are their pay cheque, therefore if we threaten it chances are they'll listen to us.
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i really cant believe the content delivery system is a deal breaker for some people, like yea its can be a serious inconvenience but how about you just add friends within the game, i'm not going to just not buy the game because its not on steam. that's like the laziest thing I've ever heard.
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You fail to see my point though, it is the principle of it all. I was in the alpha, the way the game was implemented... well I didn't like it, at all. Sure, I didn't mind EADM when it was around, it was just another D2D but what they are trying to do with it... they are trying so very hard to copy steam, but are missing one fundamental element, games from other developers.

As for your points:

1.BF2 had 64 player maps, was PC only and was a brilliant game for 2004. No doubt BF3 will be too, but what I have seen of origin has made me apprehensive, if there is no steam overlay I probably won't buy it(and I will stand my ground, not go and buy it on release haha).

2. The L4D series was made for the PC, it was only ported later, and to the 360 only so calling it consolised is a bit stupid. Not to mention it is one of the better MP games I've played.

3.The source engine is old, but it still looks brilliant for its age. This is because they keep on upgrading it... I mean if I compared CS:S to portal 2, I would've thought they were completely different engines. That is because valve saw no reason to change, I mean portal 2 is up there as one of the prettiest games around for me(the level of detail is astounding).

4. Seriously? Duke nukem as an example? I do not care for steam achievements and stuff, only that I can have the steam overlay which in the BF3 alpha wasn't supposed to work!

5. Supporting PC gaming != making a better future for PC gaming. Gaming now is a business, we cannot change that fact, however we can change what devs think we want, that is fact. We are their pay cheque, therefore if we threaten it chances are they'll listen to us.
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As I said before, people who didn't want to have the possibility of having to install multiple distribution software from different publishers (due to them only being available to play via their system), should not have supported THE trend setter of such business.

Steam.

Especially not supported it to the point where they now literally cant even fathom using another client due to the amount of time and money they've personally invested in it.

Therefore, those who invested so much time and money in popularizing a trend (to the point where they cant even seperate from it to enjoy a game they know they would enjoy), should be the LAST guys talking about not wanting to support it, when that is EXACTLY what they have been doing.

The problem is that people are only against something like this when it is not beneficial to them.

They couldn't care less about making the business model so successful when they were getting all their sales and hyping steam through the nostril etc,

There are people in the "New counter strike!" threads literally boasting about the thousands of hours they've spent supporting a business model other publishers would now like a piece of (playing CS).

Yet they will post in this thread about their diamond strong opposition of supporting this trend.


That's why I personally cant take those who only rebel NOW seriously.

Those who are against it fully, I understand.

But those who support when everything falls into place nicely, then bring out the pitch forks when things stop going in their direction? No sympathy.
1. How do you condemn someone's actions when they are merely attempting to follow in the footsteps of someone you admire?

2. The "they dont sell other companies games" thing means nothing tbh. The very second EA sells another companies games on Origin, the argument will immediately switch to "but I dont even want to use another client other than steam anyway! So much clutterware!!"

Why did you support the founding father of "clutterware" if you didn't want it to become popular?

Where is the logic?

How do you go about vehemently supporting a system you'd absolutely hate anyone else to attempt?
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/12/11 at 9:21am
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i really cant believe the content delivery system is a deal breaker for some people, like yea its can be a serious inconvenience but how about you just add friends within the game, i'm not going to just not buy the game because its not on steam. that's like the laziest thing I've ever heard.
It is not an issue about being lazy. It is not an issue of people saying that Origin is crap. Hell, for most of us, it is not even an issue with Steam. We just do not want to use Origin. Some of us do not want another distribution client we have to use to further fragment our game library. Some of us do not trust EA and therefore Origin. These are perfectly legitimate concerns and as such, we are exercising our rights as consumer of not purchasing an EA product. If EA came out and said that Origin would no longer be required to activate or run the physical retail copy of BF3, I will pre-order a physical retail copy from Amazon, Newegg, or Frys right now. Hell, I will even drive to Gamestop to pre-order it if necessary, which is a lot more work than downloading and ordering on Origin. It is not laziness. It is a consumer decision based personal likes and dislikes.

It is ok if our decision is different from yours. That should not affect your purchasing decision or your enjoyment of the game. It is not like we are angry at Dice and BF3 or anything or calling for a boycott. I have yet to see anyone here proposing we sign some useless petition and what not. Either way, enjoy your game. If EA ever gets its head out of its ass and offers it without Origin (could care less about Steam) for the physical retail copy, I will be joining you on the battlefield.
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The beef with Origin and EA has nothing to do with their games. The games are not made by the publisher itself, but rather the developers under it. DICE made BF3 and most if not all BF3 forgoers have no beef with either. What we do have beef with is EA, a company that has almost been as despicable as Activision, Crapcom, and Ubisoft, forcing their own game distribution storefront client down on throat in order to play their games, regardless of developer. Yes we understand this is within their own right and there is nothing "wrong" with their business decision, we simply do not like or agree with their decision. We don't like the company or trust the company enough to handle our games. They have a rather piss poor record of listening to their customers.

With Origin, again we are not saying that this is a bad service in any way. Some of us prefer not to further fragment where our games are gathered. Some of us prefer not to have an unnecessary piece of software on our computers. Some of us do not like that Origin is EA's new pet project to milk increased revenue. Some of us may just not like it. For people who will buy the game regardless, will buy it regardless of distribution method. For me personally, the day they offer BF3 WITHOUT Origin, I would totally buy it. This move by EA was a total deal breaker for me.
So you're taking on stand on something you dislike so that you can accomplish... what? I get it, you guys want to show EA that you don't like their service. However, I think we all know this little "boycott" isn't going to affect sales in any significant way whatsoever. I think we all know that 90% of the people here claiming they won't buy BF3 (a pretty small percentage considering the angry crowd is generally the loudest) will buy it anyways. All you're doing is denying yourself the fun of playing BF3, and denying money towards DICE, one of the few major developers standing up for the PC platform. Lose-Lose.
Again, Origin will make EA more money regardless of whether or not a couple dozen people refuse to use it, it's not going anywhere. So unless you can conjure a plan to make EA lose profit, you're not accomplishing anything whatsoever. It's not a civil rights case.. it's a business decision.

EDIT: You keep saying you "don't trust" EA... which game developers do you "trust"? Do you honestly trust Valve and all their decisions? I think all of us who were around remember the big outcry over Steam when it was released, but looking back it's clear that if anything Steam was a blessing. You didn't have to worry about losing your CD-key whenever you reinstalled a game, you got amazing discounts off games every week, and you had additional social interaction features akin to those found in XBL. Origin is a tiny program you need only load while playing BF3. You can try to make it into a big deal, but in all honesty, it isn't.
Edited by Narzon - 8/12/11 at 9:06am
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