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Just because you cannot see it as a valid reason for you, does not reduce it's validity for us. There is no benefit. There is also no perceived loss for me. While I am sure that it is going to be a great game and if I played it I would enjoy it, it is no loss for me even if I don't play it or buy it, I have other games to play and keep me busy. Avoiding a game because it requires Origin to run may be stupid to you, but it is hardly stupid to me and some others. If you are still unable to understand this, then that is fine too. Simply respect our decision that we do not want to buy the game as long as it requires Origin and move on. Again, we do not care about your decision to use Origin and buy the game, why do you and others seem to care so much about our decision? Again, if you truly don't understand, that is fine too. Just accept our opinions as different yours and enjoy your game.

So basically, I'm not allowed to partake in any debates because if two people have different opinions they shouldn't be allowed to compare them? I "respect" your opinion, whatever that means, but why should that stop me from challenging it?

Also... if you admit you would enjoy playing the game, then not playing it is a loss. The fact that there are other good games out there doesn't negate that.
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I'm just buying the game retail. Physically. It's going to belong to that rare sacred collection of games you can actually put on your shelf ala Starcraft 2.
    
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I'm still buying this game, everyone complaining are just those that need drama and to find something to complain about. EA/DICE is intelligent enough to know this and they understand that Origin will be just as accepted as Steam in the near future. Those that cannot accept change, get over it... because this is just the start of more services just like this. Those that actually believed that Origin wouldn't be required are ignorant, but ignorance is bliss right?
Edited by Doogiehouser - 8/12/11 at 11:21am
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I'm still buying this game, everyone complaining are just those that need drama and to find something to complain about. DICE is intelligent enough to know this and they understand that Origin will be just as accepted as Steam in the near future. Those that cannot accept change, get over it... because this is just the start of more services just like this.
Although I agree with this to some extent (not about people needing drama but about services like this being the future) at this moment in time, Origin is an empty shell compared to Steam. They only have EA published games. This needs to be changed if it is to have any chance - unless they want to keep it that way? If thats the case, it will never be as good/as big as Steam.
    
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go to hell EA.
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I don't get all the "this is the start of many steam-esque services!" What makes anyone think this will be a trend? This is now what.. ~7 years after Steam was released? At this rate, Activision will have their own virtual game store by 2018! God forbid!
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You fail to see my point though, it is the principle of it all. I was in the alpha, the way the game was implemented... well I didn't like it, at all. Sure, I didn't mind EADM when it was around, it was just another D2D but what they are trying to do with it... they are trying so very hard to copy steam, but are missing one fundamental element, games from other developers.

As for your points:

1.BF2 had 64 player maps, was PC only and was a brilliant game for 2004. No doubt BF3 will be too, but what I have seen of origin has made me apprehensive, if there is no steam overlay I probably won't buy it(and I will stand my ground, not go and buy it on release haha).

2. The L4D series was made for the PC, it was only ported later, and to the 360 only so calling it consolised is a bit stupid. Not to mention it is one of the better MP games I've played.

3.The source engine is old, but it still looks brilliant for its age. This is because they keep on upgrading it... I mean if I compared CS:S to portal 2, I would've thought they were completely different engines. That is because valve saw no reason to change, I mean portal 2 is up there as one of the prettiest games around for me(the level of detail is astounding).

4. Seriously? Duke nukem as an example? I do not care for steam achievements and stuff, only that I can have the steam overlay which in the BF3 alpha wasn't supposed to work!

5. Supporting PC gaming != making a better future for PC gaming. Gaming now is a business, we cannot change that fact, however we can change what devs think we want, that is fact. We are their pay cheque, therefore if we threaten it chances are they'll listen to us.
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As I said before, people who didn't want to have the possibility of having to install multiple distribution software from different publishers (due to them only being available to play via their system), should not have supported THE trend setter of such business.

Steam.

Especially not supported it to the point where they now literally cant even fathom using another client due to the amount of time and money they've personally invested in it.

Therefore, those who invested so much time and money in popularizing a trend (to the point where they cant even seperate from it to enjoy a game they know they would enjoy), should be the LAST guys talking about not wanting to support it, when that is EXACTLY what they have been doing.

The problem is that people are only against something like this when it is not beneficial to them.

They couldn't care less about making the business model so successful when they were getting all their sales and hyping steam through the nostril etc,

There are people in the "New counter strike!" threads literally boasting about the thousands of hours they've spent supporting a business model other publishers would now like a piece of (playing CS).

Yet they will post in this thread about their diamond strong opposition of supporting this trend.


That's why I personally cant take those who only rebel NOW seriously.

Those who are against it fully, I understand.

But those who support when everything falls into place nicely, then bring out the pitch forks when things stop going in their direction? No sympathy.
1. How do you condemn someone's actions when they are merely attempting to follow in the footsteps of someone you admire?

2. The "they dont sell other companies games" thing means nothing tbh. The very second EA sells another companies games on Origin, the argument will immediately switch to "but I dont even want to use another client other than steam anyway! So much clutterware!!"

Why did you support the founding father of "clutterware" if you didn't want it to become popular?

Where is the logic?

How do you go about vehemently supporting a system you'd absolutely hate anyone else to attempt?
What do you guys think?

Should people who actually helped make the Steam formula of running your own games solely through your own distribution softaware popular enough to be adopted by other companies, be the ones doing all the complaining about companies requiring you to use their software to run their games?

Surely if they were against companies requiring you to use their software to run games, they should have started the protesting almost ten years ago, when steam started (instead of investing so much money and time in it, they can no longer game without steam), and not just now?

Shouldn't they be the ones getting complained at by everyone else for making it such a huge thing and helping it spread as a viable business model for other companies?
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/12/11 at 11:39am
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So basically, I'm not allowed to partake in any debates because if two people have different opinions they shouldn't be allowed to compare them? I "respect" your opinion, whatever that means, but why should that stop me from challenging it?

Also... if you admit you would enjoy playing the game, then not playing it is a loss. The fact that there are other good games out there doesn't negate that.
There is a difference between debating and bashing our decision by calling it "stupid" or "substance-less whining" as you put it. You do not respect our decision if you are calling it that. Do you see any of us calling you stupid for bending over backwards and allowing EA to force feed you a useless client? No we do not, because we respect your decision to buy the game and use a force fed distribution client.

I don't perceive it as a loss, because I will not miss not buying the game. It would have been a nice game to have, but not anything that I will look back and think, "Man I should have bought this." I cannot consider something a loss, if I have no feelings of regret over it. I am disappointed, yes, but definitely not sad or regretful. I see is a non-gain for me and a complete loss for EA and Dice. Besides, the $60 I save from not buying BF3 can now be used towards another game. Again, not a loss and depending on how I look at it, possibly a gain somewhere else.

I guess at the end of the day, it really comes down to how important is a game or gaming to you. To me, gaming is just a hobby. I will not lose any sleep from not playing a game. It is not a loss at all to not play a game or games. I am guessing from your reactions to our consumer decision that gaming is very important to you. To me, there are way more things that are of much greater importance.
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Although I agree with this to some extent (not about people needing drama but about services like this being the future) at this moment in time, Origin is an empty shell compared to Steam. They only have EA published games. This needs to be changed if it is to have any chance - unless they want to keep it that way? If thats the case, it will never be as good/as big as Steam.
People NEED drama, it's human nature and as you can tell is expressed even more openly in anonymity over forums. Even so, Origin is new... let it grow. With that said, you can never have one flavor of ice cream for to long before others create new flavors. With competition, you may even discover a new flavor that was better than the first(i.e. Steam). So I accept competition, embrace it... because no one can do anything to change it. So the complainers will complain, because there will be a new service to complain about in the near future and Origin will be just as accepted as Steam now because it will be old news.

1,000th Post... and with that GET OVER IT PEOPLE
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