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I just don't understand why you would loose money and go with an intel build when you can get upgrades for an upcoming architecture on AMD. You wouldn't need to get a new processor, just a mobo and gpu.
Can do the same with Intel. 1155 is going to support Ivy Bridge and right now, Intel happens to lead the price/performance war at all levels.

You could get an 1155 mobo with an i5 chip, use the onboard graphics, etc.

Though honestly, I have no idea how you're planning to get ANYTHING out of a $450 build considering Windows alone is over $100, the world's cheapest HDD is around $40, RAM is $40, PSU is $50, case is $60. By the time you're even ready to select a motherboard, a CPU and a GPU...you've spent at least $320.

I'd try to scrimp and get an i5 2500k and just use onboard gfx for now till you can afford a GPU/find one on sale. At least that way you know your CPU is awesome for when you can afford the rest.

If you go AMD, you spend money right now on a Phenom, and then have to spend more on Bulldozer when it's out. Then there's a chance Bulldozer doesn't even beat the 2500k for the same money spent.
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I am not very technologically literate. What would be the real life difference between logical cores and "real" cores? What does hyper threading do?

@Everyone else: I am perfectly content to get an AM3+ Motherboard with a 955 and a 550TI, keep it for two years, and spend about $300 upgrading the CPU and the GPU.


I appreciate it. Is that not a quality board? Do you think it wouldn't sustain a Bulldozer and SLI upgrade about 2 years from now?

EDIT: At that price, I might as well get an AMD GPU and just plan for a crossfire upgrade.
If you're looking to spend $300 upgrading this computer in a couple years, I'm not sure why you're worried about SLI as a feature at all. $300 will generally cover a CPU upgrade and an entry level video card. Those cards aren't worth SLI'ing because for the price of two, you can get one single GPU that's better and has more VRAM.
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Can do the same with Intel. 1155 is going to support Ivy Bridge and right now, Intel happens to lead the price/performance war at all levels.

You could get an 1155 mobo with an i5 chip, use the onboard graphics, etc.

Though honestly, I have no idea how you're planning to get ANYTHING out of a $450 build considering Windows alone is over $100, the world's cheapest HDD is around $40, RAM is $40, PSU is $50, case is $60. By the time you're even ready to select a motherboard, a CPU and a GPU...you've spent at least $320.

I'd try to scrimp and get an i5 2500k and just use onboard gfx for now till you can afford a GPU/find one on sale. At least that way you know your CPU is awesome for when you can afford the rest.

If you go AMD, you spend money right now on a Phenom, and then have to spend more on Bulldozer when it's out. Then there's a chance Bulldozer doesn't even beat the 2500k for the same money spent.
$450 is only the price of what I need. RAM will cost me about $30 for quality 4GB 1333MHz, HDD will cost me ~$50 for 1TB depending on the sale, , B-Stock 550TI will cost $100 (460 for $120), already have a Windows 7 OEM, already have a high-quality PSU, All that leaves is the CPU and Motherboard. If I go AM3+, it will cost me $200 to $240 and the total is $415 to $455. In about 2 years or so, I would spend $300 to upgrade the CPU and the GPU. This is a budget system, not high-end.

If I decide to go for Bulldozer, I wouldn't be buying a 955, I would just wait until October, find out which gives you more bang for your buck (BD or SB) and build then.
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16x/4x isn't optimal, that's for sure, but it would work. There would be a very slight performance loss, not one that would be noticeable with a 550 though. I would still stick with a P67 or Z68 though if you're going to go 1155.

Well, going Bulldozer would cost you less probably, but we don't know exactly how well BD is going to perform. You may end up having great performance, or it may just be a little better than what you have now. Of course, you also have to weigh factors such as what you're going to do with it, and if you need the best performance for your dollar.

That being said, in your position, I'd go for the $117 i3 2100. Dual core is going to run cool and not use much power at all. Then, later, you can choose to upgrade to an Ivy Bridge, which will be released on the LGA1155 socket.
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I really don't want to worry about upgrading. My plan is essentially to get a fast PC for as cheap as possible. Right now my Desktop is on an Athlon 64 2.3GHz (onboard graphics) and my Laptop has a T6400 with a 9300mGS. The Desktop was bought ~6 years ago and the Laptop around 3. As is probably clear, I am not a tech nerd. I want a computer that can play most games on casual settings for two years, be upgraded a little, and last for the next 2 years. I literally have never bought anew computer until the previous one literally couldn't do anything. The only reason I am building this PC is because my laptop can only get 22 FPS on Black Ops with it's lowest settings and Resolution. When upgrading time comes around, the Bulldozer I would want will probably be around $150 and another 550TI will be cheap as well (or I could just sell mine and get another ~$140 one to last for the second two years. Having seen my plan, would you say that I don't need Crossfire/SLI support? I kind of just like the thought of having the option there.

^If that paragraph doesn't make sense, it is because I am sleepy.

EDIT: If you're wondering why my budget is so low, it is because I am putting all of my income towards college and I just happened to get $500 windfall profit from another venture.
Edited by leafan101 - 8/11/11 at 10:27pm
    
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If you don't want to upgrade, Bulldozer isn't really an option, considering it's not out yet. At this point in time, Intel would be the logical option.
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For your needs I think AMD is the right choice. The guy who says you cant build a decent gaming rig for less than $500 does not know what he is talking about. My sig rig here is proof of that. And then he also says that Intel is the "Price/Performance leader at ALL LEVELS". IF that were a true statement I would not currently have an AMD rig- period. I am a PC gamer more than a "computer enthusiast" and I am genetically predisposed to being a total skinflint when it comes to shelling out my $ and if Intel could have provided me with this same level of performance for less $ I assure you that is what I would have right now. Somebody used to juggling numbers with Intel parts might think you cant build a decent rig for $500, but when you look at what you can get for 500 clams in an AMD build you can reach the level of performance you and I are looking for quite easily.
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If you don't want to upgrade, Bulldozer isn't really an option, considering it's not out yet. At this point in time, Intel would be the logical option.
I was just saying that I would not be upgrading until years from now. If I decide to spend a little extra now, I would wait until October and then decide whether to go Intel or AMD Bulldozer. I don't want to overspend my budget, and then a month later realize that I could have got so much more from Bulldozer.

Basically my options are these:
1. Spend very little now, use my PC for 2 years, spend about $300 Upgrading to Bulldozer and GPU.
2. Wait 2 months, overspend my budget by about $100 and go for whichever is better (Bulldozer or SandyBridge). Spend about $150 upgrading GPU in 2 years.

I think I like #1 better. It keeps the cost very low right now and besides, there is no guarantee I will want to upgrade to Bulldozer. I really don't even think I will still be gaming then.

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For your needs I think AMD is the right choice. The guy who says you cant build a decent gaming rig for less than $500 does not know what he is talking about. My sig rig here is proof of that. And then he also says that Intel is the "Price/Performance leader at ALL LEVELS". IF that were a true statement I would not currently have an AMD rig- period. Somebody used to juggling numbers with Intel parts might come to this conclusion, but when you look at what you can get for 500 clams in an AMD build you can reach the level of performance you and I are looking for quite easily.
Right. I don't even game more than 1-2 times a month. Honestly, going from what I currently have to what you can build for $500 from AMD will be an unbelievable gain. for $500 total, I am probably not going to get any faster, even when Bulldozer comes out. Bulldozer, SandyBridge; they are pretty much out of my league right now.
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I am about at the same level of computer needs as you, maybe just a bit higher. My avatar with BD on it is really just for grins, I will probably not run out and get one, even though I am 100% ready for it. I am figuring I MIGHT get the 4 core version of the next generation AMD CPU (4100 I guess) in a year or so and clock it up fast rather than going for all 8 cores.
    
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I am about at the same level of computer needs as you, maybe just a bit higher. My avatar with BD on it is really just for grins, I will probably not run out and get one, even though I am 100% ready for it. I am figuring I MIGHT get the 4 core version of the next generation AMD CPU (4100 I guess) in a year or so and clock it up fast rather than going for all 8 cores.
Judging by how far the current AM3s have dropped, when I am ready to upgrade, the 6-Core version should be around $120
    
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