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it must have been a crap card, i use occt all the time to stress, i e but i just watch the temps. even ran my cards at 1.187v 950mhz and they just artifacted when i pushed them harder.
The maximum temperature it got to was 83c. I remember it had crashed before at 82c and I should have stopped there but I knew that the maximum temperature it could handle was over 100c, so it seemed reasonable to me.

Idle temps were fine, anywhere from 31-35c.

I still don't know if I want to stress test with OCCT anymore, I might just go with furmark next time.
    
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It's just as bad.'honest if your only at 1.087 and it cant handle the load there's something wrong. I mean the card should be able to run at 100% at 1.087 no problem. As long as temps arnt too high but yours seemed fine. The vrms are the weak point usually when loads of volts are pushes through. I only ran 1.187 to see how far they would run, with 100% fan,'plenty of air flow, one card at a time. But hawks have more vrms

Edit: 1.087 is regarded as safe voltage by manufacturers, it's that limit in the bios to keep rma's down. So yea rma it, but just say it broke don't let on what you where doing to keep things simple, no point in getting onto a debate with them. They won't know what you were doing with it

Edit2: just realized your temps. I would regard that as quite a high temp, heat makes cards artifact and crash and causes instability. But still shouldnt break. For example my old 5850 will do 950mhz at 1.162v (not a high voltage at all - infact stock for that chip on a 5870) but it will become unstable at 80C
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MSI's warranty covers overclocking.

"MSI’s 3 year warranty (which also happens to cover overclocking) is also a major selling point though with a price of over $500, we’d expect nothing less than perfection. "
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Well that's good to hear... It's just too bad the card won't get there for a week and then it's an additional 1-2 weeks for them to ship it back.

I have an unrelated question now that I'm running my current setup with an old 7300 GS that I had laying around . I think my CPU still has room to overclock so is it safe to OC with a really old video card? I just want to make sure now that I've already fried one.

So it sounds like the consensus is that it was a bad card and I just had bad luck overclocking?
    
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Yea pretty much I'd be raging if that happened. One of the reasons I wasn't afraid to oc was that the cards where pretty new and if they died then id just send them in. Do they get a 3 year warranty then? Id love my cards to fry then they'd have to send me some 560ti's lol. But if 2 go at once it's pretty obvious I would likely be at error.

The main thing to watch out for is vrm temps on ocing. Your core temps can be fine but the vrms at 120C and that's when they can die. I know the hawk has more vrms so they wouldn't be under as much stress. I wouldn't run over about 1.1 24/7, only to bench. At least I know I'm looking at 950+ when I get them under water.

And your CPU ocing has nothing to do with gpu, so clock away. Just don't break it lol
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Send it back and play dumb
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Damn this sucks. I don't really understand why it fried, it's not like I was pushing it THAT much.
You likely destroyed some VRM component. The GPU and memory are probably perfectly fine, they just pulled more power than the card was equipped to deliver.

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Can you guys tell me what I did wrong?
You bought a card with shoddy VRMs and non-existant VRM cooling, and made no modifications to it when you overvolted and OCed it.

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I did reach 1.087v at the end but I thought that was still considered pretty safe? And my temperatures don't sound too crazy right? I mean I've heard of people running these at 90c+ in SLI.
GPU temps were probably ok, but I highly doubt VRM temps were.

You dramatically increased the power consumption of the card, all the while reducing the amount of power the card could safely deliver (the amount of current VRMs can deliver goes down with in creasing temp). When the demand exceeded it's ability to supply, there was likely a run away increase in heat and it kicked the bucket.

Also, safe temps are related to voltage and clock speed. The higher you OC the colder things have to be to remain safe. If it's rated for 100C at stock, a moderate voltage/clock boost might only be safe at 80C, while some extreme OCs might not be safe at anything above -50C, for example.

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Also, is the most common symptom of instability artifacts or crashes? Because I never once got artifacts but my PC would often freeze and sometimes shut down.
Often it is.
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Also, safe temps are related to voltage and clock speed. The higher you OC the colder things have to be to remain safe. If it's rated for 100C at stock, a moderate voltage/clock boost might only be safe at 80C, while some extreme OCs might not be safe at anything above -50C, for example.
Yeah I understand, but I wouldn't consider what I did an "extreme OC". It's not like I was giving it more voltage than MSI would allow and pushing the core clock into the 900+ range.

How do I even check the temp on the VRM?
    
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How do I even check the temp on the VRM?
Short of installing a temp probe, pointing an IR thermometer at the back of the card, or getting a ballpark guess by touching it with your finger, on most cards you don't.

Rule of thumb is that unless the card looks like it has a very robust VRM, or is heavily sinked, VRM temps are probably borderline at stock speeds and way too high at even modest OCs.
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Rule of thumb is that unless the card looks like it has a very robust VRM, or is heavily sinked, VRM temps are probably borderline at stock speeds and way too high at even modest OCs.
^ Yes. Get a better card next time. I've seen a review on a french website and they pushed the card to "only" 775 MHz @stock voltage. Not sure if the VRMs are well cooled too.

I saw somone pushed it too :
Core clock : 851 MHz
Shader clock 1702 MHz
Memory clock : 1900 MHz
Don't know the voltage through...
Edited by adridu59 - 8/13/11 at 8:42am
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