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Agreed
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Save the Thorium for interstellar space travel!
 
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OT.. What i read instead of the title was "Gran Turismo will replace gasoline in 8 of its cars"
Edited by MadCatMk2 - 8/13/11 at 6:01am
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I hate to say it but ..... this is a gimmick.

If thorium is such a safe, cheap, and effective fuel, then let's start building nuclear power plants which produce electricity from Thorium. Then we can stop burning gas,oil,coal to make electricity. Why not start with something safer such as a large, stationary nuclear plant which runs on thorium?

Design better electric cars and better electric batteries and we won't need electric cars with on-board electric generators powered by exotic or dangerous fuels.
How would you suggest the power plants be powered to produce the electricity to run an electric car? Solar power won't cut it. Coal, diesel, gasoline and ethanol will just concentrate the emissions to the locations of the power plants and then on into the atmosphere, the water table and into us. It also seems as if you're prejudiced towards nuclear power because of nuclear plants that were neither properly run nor funded, as at both Chernobyl and the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant. Nuclear plant owners are every bit as greedy as fossil fuel-powered electric generating plant owners in that they have shown, constantly, that they will be more than happy to cut corners, use unsafe practices, risk their employees lives and anything else to save a few bucks. Have you ever heard of a little lady by the name of Karen Silkwood? "Silkwood" wasn't just a dramatic movie. It was also a fairly accurate depiction of what happened to her and the greedy owners of the nuclear plant where she worked. People and environment be damned, just as long as they generate more money to feed their greed. Instead of fining any type of power plant owners hundreds of thousands of dollars, which is a drop in the bucket when millions and possibly billions of dollars in profit are involved, they should be publicly executed and made examples of what happens when their greed becomes dangerous to innocent people.
Thorium powered vehicles may work out and they may not. It seems that if it can work safely then there is plenty of room for the corporate sponsors to feed their avarice while also maintaining the illusion that they actually give a damn whether the planet and its people survive or not.
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Is that car overclockable?
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Annnnd in come the oil companies and government to buy it all up and sell it for $5000 a gram -.-
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How would you suggest the power plants be powered to produce the electricity to run an electric car? Solar power won't cut it ....
I hope you realize that this "thorium car" is just an electric car with electric generator instead of electric batteries. If "thorium cars" will succeed, then electric cars must also succeed .... unless someone intends to use a steam engine (or something like that) to drive the wheels. Thorium car would have a very long range and not need daily battery recharging. Other than that, I see no benefit to thorium cars, over electric-battery cars.

Where will they get energy for electric cars? Hmm. I don't know. Maybe thorium nuclear-electric power plants? Same reactor as this car will have, except much larger and more powerful, and hopefully very safe.

As several people here already pointed out, thorium reactors are much less harmful than uranium or plutonium reactors. I am no nuclear scientist. Based on what I read, thorium appears safe enough to be used in power plants in remote locations, but, in my opinion, maybe not safe enough for use on public roads.

Even if a thorium reactor (in a remote location) melts down and explodes, the particles which are released appear to be much less harmful than most current nuclear reactors. Again, I'm not a nuclear scientist. I could be wrong about this.

In regards to powering electric-battery vehicles with solar energy, (believe it or not), it's already being done. This man says his electric bill is now zero with Chevy Volt + Nissan leaf + home solar-electric system (no batteries).

edit: story says he pays $13/month electric transmission fee + sometimes fuel for the chevy volt

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...pay-off-1.html

The beauty of electric-battery cars is that almost any fuel can be used to generate electricity. Instead of designing a new car engine, for each fuel type, let's make most cars electric and focus attention on producing efficienct, clean stationary electrical power plants such as solar,wind,nuclear,bio-fuel, whatever.
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But would the oil companies let this happen?
No
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Once the oil runs out, they'll be looking for a new resource to make money.
Not only will they allow it, they'll encourage it.
We are a long ways away from running out of oil....in the US alone we have the largest oil field EVER FOUND and we haven't touched it yet.

This whole "oil scare" is just used so they can jack prices up lol.



Also electric cars are TERRIBLE. Not only in the US do we not have the structure to handle 10m+ cars, but its powered mostly by COAL which completely kills the point. Coal is our #1 energy producer in the USA, solar options are like 5-10% tops.


Solar is a good option but even making them yourself you're looking at $20,000+ to power your home. You will need to buy 15-20 deep cycle batteries at LEAST which are $100-200 a piece. Panels your looking at 1-2kw worth of panels to keep the batteries charged. I mean our normal usage is 1500-1600kw a 30 day cycle....you gotta produce a insane amount to keep up with that. I would imagine you would want 5-6kw worth of panels to keep up.
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But would the oil companies let this happen?
Sums the whole thing up right there.
 
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This whole "oil scare" is just used so they can jack prices up lol.
But in many ways the "scare" is a good thing. People tend to ignore problems unless they're an imminent danger. We know well in advance that oil is finite, so this is the proper time to take a serious, calm look at alternatives. Otherwise, 5-10 years before problems arise we'd all be scrambling for a quick solution.

@OP Alternative forms of energy are always interesting to read about. They have a nasty habit of forming bad "side effects" as time goes on, but I'm always hopeful for the solution.
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The main problem they will face is safety. The crash tests they put cars through are pretty intense (not to mention real-life possibilities which can be worse), and engines do occasionally bust open during those tests. My dad was a volunteer firefighter, and he had seen crashes where the entire engine block was 15 feet for the main hull of the car, and was just as smashed up. How are they going to contain the thorium well enough to make sure that fire departments don't need a radioactive hazmat team for car crashes? How will the coolant, which would become a toxic material over time, be replaced? I know they have engineers 10x smarter than me working on this, but thinking about the real world application instead of just theoretically this idea sounds hard to execute for use in the general public.
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