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Originally Posted by frickfrock99 View Post

http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-ce...cars-20110812/


Absolute genius. It's safe, plentiful, and works like a charm. It's less toxic than Gasoline even.
Better start investing while you have a chance.
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After reading this through all the way I had a couple thoughts I hoped to share...
THe thorium powered vehicle thing seems like a nice concept, however the reality of it based upon the sources cited seems rather far fetched. (The validity of the site that is proposing this Thorium Vehicle, that is)

As to electric cars and how "great" they are, well they aren't the be all end all.
They all still use huge cell stacks made from the same cells that power your laptop or your power drill. (18650 cell typically the LiMn kind and rated at about 10C per cell with an average of 12-1400mAh capacity)
Basically, battery technology is crap right now. There are advances being made in the field, but they are slow to come and require more time to mature and come to the consumer end of the market.
Not to mention disposal of the aforementioned cells at end of life...
Solar power is nice and can net measurable savings, but this is also at a great initial cost on the end of the consumer as well as a terrible efficiency rating over all as the market and tech presently stands.
On to the discussion of 300+Bhp vehicles being overpowered or ridiculous, well I have to respectfully disagree.
You are assuming that solely due to the power generation capability that it is not harnessed or limited effectively. Also not being considered are the drivetrain losses that occur to get the power from the main power plant to the tires, which in a 4 wheel drive (or all) vehicle is then increased. Typically it is around 14% loss.
Power in a vehicle is also subject to how that vehicle is used as far as what is called for.
So any developments in that area will be capped by the intended use.

Sorry for the book.
We're not talking about 300bhp. We're talking more about 400 THOUSAND bhp.
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Originally Posted by biltong View Post
Uh, what?
There's more thorium in the world than uranium.
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Originally Posted by Ishinomori View Post
For all those saying that the 350mw figure was ridiculous... It is most likely referring to the total output of energy for the lifetime of the thorium, not instantaneous expulsion...
The watt is not a measure of potential energy, it's a measure of instantaneous power over time.
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Thorium properly does not belong to the "rare earths" as that is the term for the lanthanides only. Thorium does belong to the actinides, though.
Yeah this... never heard of thorium being called a rare earth before.
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I bet you the Neutrino's had Thorium:
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Originally Posted by andrews2547 View Post
Well said a car with 300+BHP is a car that is designed for overtaking on highways. A car with 100BHP will use more fuel overtaking a truck than a 300+BHP car overtaking the same truck, and on high speed travelling. At 80 MPH a Toyota Prius would do around 40MPG where as a where as my BMW 740i can do 40 MPG at 120 MPH with cruise control on. If travelling 100 miles the BMW would save a lot of money in fuel. I also have to defend the people who are saying that 300+BHP vehicles are overpowered because for driving around a city or town they are lol
Agreed sir and thanks

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We're not talking about 300bhp. We're talking more about 400 THOUSAND bhp.
Yes I quite understood that thank you. I was using another posters comment in regard to automobiles that are thusly endowed.
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Looks good to me.
The safety standards for the containment of the nuclear material will be insanely tight anyway. The British Government ran an entire, loaded rail train into a test container to check it.
Video here
And remember, Alpha radiation is not dangerous unless ingested or inhaled., and a couple layers of aluminium (aluminum) foil is enough to safely transport it in your pocket (for most sources).
Even Plutonium-238 needs less than an inch thick layer of lead to shield it.
Alpha particles are big old things, which is why they are so damaging, but it also makes them pretty easy to stop. Engineers can build a containment vessel for the radioactive parts of the engine solid enough to cope with a head on collision with a big rig or railway train at highway speeds, and do it in a sensible weight.
It isn't like we can't, the problem is, under mass production from numerous companies, the risk of shady manufacture short cuts, and or lack of inspection, is going to have this entire concept be thrown out the window. We are talking about a scale of millions of vehicles that would need to be manufactured to this new concept and this will bring in the current standards, although slightly better, of current manufacturer processes. With the current production standards, it is not going to look pretty.
Edited by Domino - 8/15/11 at 2:10am
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It isn't like we can't, the problem is, under mass production from numerous companies, the risk of shady manufacture short cuts, and or lack of inspection, is going to have this entire concept be thrown out the window. We are talking about a scale of millions of vehicles that would need to be manufactured to this new concept and this will bring in the current standards, although slightly better, of current manufacturer processes. With the current production standards, it is not going to look pretty.
Doesn't seem so far fetched when you realize that your current automobile operates by using the explosive force of a detonated fuel, very similar to a pipe bomb except with better pipes that are designed to contain the pressure so as not to maim or kill all living things within the vicinity.
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Doesn't seem so far fetched when you realize that your current automobile operates by using the explosive force of a detonated fuel, very similar to a pipe bomb except with better pipes that are designed to contain the pressure so as not to maim or kill all living things within the vicinity.
It does seen far fetch when you realize the failure rate of vehicles that are due to manufacturing errors on such large scales or current recalls. When you are dealing with the level of precision needed to create safety systems for such systems, you are not going to reach the correct demand to replace gasoline powered vehicles.

You can't, under any circumstance, manufacture a thorium based vehicle with the level of care we give gasoline powered vehicles. We just don't have enough qualified individuals to meet the needed demand. Let alone, considering the amount of Joe Blows that DIY or self-repair their cars, would you want someone fooling around with such in their back yard?

I'm not quite against it, but given the level of scale to make this practical and cost effective is going to be too large and sensitive to make it sensible. Unless we can develop proper management of such, it could work, but right now, not likely.


It looks like you are dealing with a miniature nuclear powered engine. We see similar concepts in subs or aircraft carriers, but on much larger scales. Typically, you have people who understand such systems operate such. Now although this is not going to be on the same scale, but you are looking at what is qualified to mingle with such systems.

Furthermore, you are now giving the public large quantities of thorium. You are also replacing gasoline vehicles, across the entire planet. Countries that don't have the standards of what we have here are not going to develop these vehicles to the level of care needed. For example, this would not work in countries that were in the state of what the USSR was before the 1990s.
Edited by Domino - 8/15/11 at 3:55am
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Yea, once the oil runs out in how many years? 50? We need this kind of thing now. Not in 50 years.
if they don't put this on the market now in 50 years no green for us things going bad very fast.
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Very cool concept I'm just concerned the oil companies will somehow get to him, just like they did with Stanley Meyers.
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Oil companies won't let this happen. They buy out all fuel efficient/alternative fuel ideas. I think the next step would be hydrogen cell cars like the FCX Clarity. A kilogram of compressed hydrogen will get you 60 miles and it costs about $5 per Kilogram. The only emission is water vapor. Not to mention their is little car maintenance needed. No oil changes because it uses an electric motor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_FCX_Clarity
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