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On one hand I want to scream "Omg this is awesome!" I was always wondering what would probably replace fossil-fuel burning engines. I hope this is the answer and I am soo glad I didn't invest in an electric car yet...

On the other hand I feel sorry for anybody in the gas/oil/car business because you will most likely be loosing your job.

What do you think became of all the people who made saddles and horseshoes and bred horses when cars were invented? They became plumbers and electricians and so on. You can always go back to tech school for a couple of years and learn a new trade if yours has expired.
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That's not the problem. What happens when there's a head-on collision? You get 8g of Thorium (or 16g if both are Thorium based) pulverized and released into the air. You can't make a containment strong enough to survive an impact like that that wouldn't make the car too heavy to be practical. So now you have several grams of an alpha emitter floating about in the air, getting into the lungs of passers-by and emergency personnel. Alpha particles are worse than other types of ionizing radiation, because they can ionize multiple atoms before their valence shell is full, which means you have two or three times as many free radicals and hydroxyls floating about interacting with your proteins and DNA.

One exposure might not be enough to have permanent results. Two or three exposures could cause throat, lung, or oesophageal cancer. Dozens of exposures (as in emergency responders) could cause multiple systemic cancers.

Radiation isn't something you dick around with lightly.

Of course you can make a containment unit that would secure the thorium for less than that in terms of mass, the black boxes inside aircrafts are not at all massive and survive temperatures in excess of 500C and collisions beyond 3000G in force.

These cars use SOLID Thorium that only produces alpha-radiation that can not penetrate skin and can not easily be inhaled:
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The key to the system developed by inventor Charles Stevens, CEO and chairman of Connecticut-based Laser Power Systems, is that when silvery metal thorium is heated by an external source, it becomes so dense its molecules give off considerable heat.

Small blocks of thorium generate heat surges that are configured as a thorium-based laser, Stevens tells Ward’s. These create steam from water within mini-turbines, generating electricity to drive a car.
Thorium metal has a probable low absorption unlike more dangerous substances like thorium dioxide which are readily absorbed... I mean, thorium is used in aircraft engines as an alloy. The melting temperature is over 2000K so it's not like it'll become airborne in a car accident anyway. There's no reason you couldn't engineer a safe thorium engine. Even in the case of thorium ingestion of a form that could be absorbed, cancer would take a good long time to develop anyway as established by Thorotrast.

The only thing that needs to come from the Thorium engine part anyway is the heat, you could construct a containment unit containing the laser and the thorium and then a highly heat conductive metal that extends outside to a water bath to cause steam to rise. As long as that containment unit is well built there's no reason any typical ground crash even at 200MPH would be any substantial hazard. As long as there are temperature sensors that are redundant inside the reactor to ensure that overheating does not occur there should not be any meltdown type hazards either.
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lol@~300HP for a V6, the average V6 is much below that. A small block V8 produces 315HP, standard V6 is ~200HP give or take 50HP. Take the Mazda 6 (ugh, forgot the version), 260HP V6, 7speed tranny. That's a rare V6, most don't even get close to 260HP. Just sayin.
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lol@~300HP for a V6, the average V6 is much below that. A small block V8 produces 315HP, standard V6 is ~200HP give or take 50HP. Take the Mazda 6 (ugh, forgot the version), 260HP V6, 7speed tranny. That's a rare V6, most don't even get close to 260HP. Just sayin.
Take the GTR 530HP lol. Anyways for most people 200HP is too much.
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Take the GTR 530HP lol. Anyways for most people 200HP is too much.
Right but ~ insinuates AVERAGE. We could go with the large block Chevy, V8@407HP. That's a beastly engine, no extras. I'm talking about JUST the engine, no turbo/charger, just engine.
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Wouldn't this require you to have a nuclear reactor in your car?
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Of course you can make a containment unit that would secure the thorium for less than that in terms of mass, the black boxes inside aircrafts are not at all massive and survive temperatures in excess of 500C and collisions beyond 3000G in force.

These cars use SOLID Thorium that only produces alpha-radiation that can not penetrate skin and can not easily be inhaled:

Thorium metal has a probable low absorption unlike more dangerous substances like thorium dioxide which are readily absorbed... I mean, thorium is used in aircraft engines as an alloy. The melting temperature is over 2000K so it's not like it'll become airborne in a car accident anyway. There's no reason you couldn't engineer a safe thorium engine. Even in the case of thorium ingestion of a form that could be absorbed, cancer would take a good long time to develop anyway as established by Thorotrast.

The only thing that needs to come from the Thorium engine part anyway is the heat, you could construct a containment unit containing the laser and the thorium and then a highly heat conductive metal that extends outside to a water bath to cause steam to rise. As long as that containment unit is well built there's no reason any typical ground crash even at 200MPH would be any substantial hazard. As long as there are temperature sensors that are redundant inside the reactor to ensure that overheating does not occur there should not be any meltdown type hazards either.
This. +1
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Lol, Ford Nucleon anyone?

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The real question I have about this is whether the technology actually works or not... If it's this easy to make power it sure seems like we'd have a lot of 1000MW thorium reactors hanging around based upon Thorium metal. That and their website looks pretty stupid:
http://laserturbinepower.com/

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Wouldn't this require you to have a nuclear reactor in your car?
It sounds like some kind of subcritical fission reactor, but it's hard to tell what exactly they're talking about... It'd be good for a physicist to chime in

The energyfromthorium forum seems to think they are borderline retarded:
http://www.energyfromthorium.com/for...php?f=2&t=1507
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That's not the problem. What happens when there's a head-on collision? You get 8g of Thorium (or 16g if both are Thorium based) pulverized and released into the air. You can't make a containment strong enough to survive an impact like that that wouldn't make the car too heavy to be practical. So now you have several grams of an alpha emitter floating about in the air, getting into the lungs of passers-by and emergency personnel. Alpha particles are worse than other types of ionizing radiation, because they can ionize multiple atoms before their valence shell is full, which means you have two or three times as many free radicals and hydroxyls floating about interacting with your proteins and DNA.

One exposure might not be enough to have permanent results. Two or three exposures could cause throat, lung, or oesophageal cancer. Dozens of exposures (as in emergency responders) could cause multiple systemic cancers.

Radiation isn't something you dick around with lightly.
I am pretty confident and certain that the scientists, engineers and designers are thoroughly looking into this. That's what we pay them for, right?

If they can make a black box that survives an airplane explosion 20k ft up in the air and survive a 9.8m/s^2 free fall flat into the 6km into the bottom of the ocean with all that water pressure to retrieve it at a later time for analysis, I am sure that they can devise another "black box" to contain 8g of thorium to make it survive a head-on collision with another car.

It's morbid to think that even if the car was totalled, and the driver/passenger killed in a horrific accident, you will see a couple "thorium black box" retriever to salvage the remaining fuel to put it into another car..

"Hello, welcome to Toyota. We have a new 2017 Prius Thor-edition at a discounted price because we were able to salvage the fuel from a totalled car."

edit: oh WTH someone beat me to it 15 minutes....
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Not sure if those sites are related, one seems to point at ZPE? ZPE is a joke as of now, until somebody can give us some valid proof they can use it.
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