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Isn't Thorium expensive to produce though?

I remember reading a paper about it being investigated as a viable replacement for nuclear power stations but that the cost of producing Thorium power plants is a great deal more expensive then building your average nuclear power plant of today.

Thorium also has the ability to burn up nuclear waste!
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But in this instance, you are dead and have also released a radioactive toxin into the atmosphere. A going away present for all of mankind who follows you.
Every single time that you fire up your fossil-fueled vehicle you're releasing deadly fumes into you, your family, the community and the Earth as a whole. You're releasing a significant amount whether it's immediately harmful or it has an accrued effect from many users. Who knows? There could be immediate effects to you and yours, and maybe the gas industry has paid off everybody to just not mention it. They certainly have enough money and political influence to carry such a thing off. How long was it actually known that asbestos and the formaldehyde in your furniture and carpets were deadly before it was made public?
A container for thorium could easily be made and be made small and light enough to safely use it in any vehicle you can imagine. Sure some terrorists could use it as a weapon. They have also blown up oil wells releasing tons of toxic fumes already. I don't see anybody crying in their beer about that! Do you?
Not to mention the PCB's that were dumped along our North Carolina highways. It had been done for years because it saved a few bucks. They knew it was deadly. The government knew. It took a whistleblower to bring it to the publics attention. Everybody except John Q. Public already knew about it.
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Enough talk, lets see something happen
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I'm sorry, but the way the future is heading fossil fuels are not viable in the distant future. We need to look for alternative sources of fuel and thorium seems to have the potential. Even in a downed economy in the US, people are exploring alternatives anyway and if the concept proves to be viable then you can bet research money pours in.

Technology progresses quickly anyway and the idea of using thorium as fuel is no different. Problem is all the gov't red tape on it, but with people angry over the gov't failing to avert a crisis there is no other way to avoid secrecy.
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That's not the problem. What happens when there's a head-on collision? You get 8g of Thorium (or 16g if both are Thorium based) pulverized and released into the air. You can't make a containment strong enough to survive an impact like that that wouldn't make the car too heavy to be practical. So now you have several grams of an alpha emitter floating about in the air, getting into the lungs of passers-by and emergency personnel. Alpha particles are worse than other types of ionizing radiation, because they can ionize multiple atoms before their valence shell is full, which means you have two or three times as many free radicals and hydroxyls floating about interacting with your proteins and DNA.

One exposure might not be enough to have permanent results. Two or three exposures could cause throat, lung, or oesophageal cancer. Dozens of exposures (as in emergency responders) could cause multiple systemic cancers.

Radiation isn't something you dick around with lightly.
Head on collision scenario only works if we store the thorium in front of the engine block...
Edited by OwnedINC - 8/12/11 at 11:43am
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But would the oil companies let this happen?
Not yet, and teh government would back up the oil companies. Until we run out of oil we will be oppressed and will be forced to use it.
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Isn't Thorium expensive to produce though?

I remember reading a paper about it being investigated as a viable replacement for nuclear power stations but that the cost of producing Thorium power plants is a great deal more expensive then building your average nuclear power plant of today.

Thorium also has the ability to burn up nuclear waste!
On the contrary. Thorium reactors would be much, much cheaper, especially fuel costs. I don't remember the exact amount, but I recall seeing that $10,000 worth of thorium would produce as much energy as $30 million worth of uranium.

Found it-

http://www.thorium.tv/en/thorium_cos...rium_costs.php

So, yes, it's expensive right now, but that's because the effort hasn't been put into mining it.
    
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On the contrary. Thorium reactors would be much, much cheaper, especially fuel costs. I don't remember the exact amount, but I recall seeing that $10,000 worth of thorium would produce as much energy as $30 million worth of uranium.

Found it-

http://www.thorium.tv/en/thorium_cos...rium_costs.php

So, yes, it's expensive right now, but that's because the effort hasn't been put into mining it.
I don't meen the Thorium itself but the actual reactors and such to use it are a lot more expensive then current Nuclear reactors.
Edited by Rocket Dog - 8/12/11 at 11:56am
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Not yet, and teh government would back up the oil companies. Until we run out of oil we will be oppressed and will be forced to use it.
I highly doubt people still have faith in the US gov't. Even that article about Apple having more money than the US gov't seems to be true. Oil companies won't have it their way anymore and essentially be getting zip from the US gov't. You can't just throw money away on spending and figure out later that you have nothing left to spend at all.

Besides China seems to have a good supply of rare earth minerals anyway and they're investing in them anyway.
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There's been ways of improving MPG with cars for decades, just that most of those patents belong to oil corporations in one way or another. They won't make money, sad isn't it? Maybe one day we will not be so selfish, although some say it's human nature.
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