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The key point remains that these innovations can never go mainstream without concrete support from big names. In a way it's sad, when you think about how much more advanced we could've been if we had more will and support for these kinds of projects.
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I don't meen the Thorium itself but the actual reactors and such to use it are a lot more expensive then current Nuclear reactors.
I'm not so sure about that.

http://www.thorium.tv/en/thorium_rea..._reactor_1.php

Even if you double the cost they give AND scale it linearly, then a 1 gigawatt thorium reactor would only cost half as much as a 1 gigawatt uranium reactor.
    
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China has been leading in Thorium research to replace nuclear power since the Japanese quake. Using Thorium in other applications shouldn't be surprising.
 
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250MW powerplant for a typical auto?

250MW translates to 335,250 HP. That's three hundred thousand horse power. A two ton car with 300,000 HP would be an ideal replacement for the space shuttle orbiter.

250KW would make a little more sense, but >300 HP is still radical overkill for our daily drivers.

I believe someone probably has lost a decimal place, or that scientist is the nuttiest professor in the world.
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I think you're right and they meant 250kW. Megawatts are powerplant numbers lol.

300hp is your average V6 in america, an ideal target but they could totally get away with half that np, I agree totally.
I think they did mean megawatt--but I think that would be the output of the laser-induced heat portion--not the electrical-generation after the turbines, or further, the power to the wheels. Heat-induced electrical generation isn't the most efficient method--coupling that to an electrical motor, it's not surprising to lose an order of magnitude of power, especially if you're going from thermal energy to mechanical energy.


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There seems to be a lot of talk about collisions and radiation spilling into the atmosphere. But I thought that a huge benefit of a thorium reactor was that once the thorium stops being stimulated by an external source such as a laser, It cools down and is no longer radioactive. This would take all concerns of radiation spills away because a car crash would disable the laser.

Correct me if i'm wrong and i don't have a source to site either. I'm going off of memory of reading an article on thorium reactors.
I think it's just a normal alpha-emitter, regardless of temperature (though its emission would increase with temperature).
    
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The main question is WHEN, I mean I don't see them making this "legal" until everything runs out.
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Oil companies are well aware of the fact that oil is finite; they are heavily researching alternatives (and buying start-ups/crushing start-ups) along the way.

Apparently thorium in its natural state is about as plentiful as lead. But 250MW? As in megawatts? That's ALOT of power, even for nuclear.



Also, it's insta-cancer if you inhale it.
As far as power goes, yeah, 250 megawatts is enough to power entire cities let alone a car. We'd probably start seeing fatman level explosions in car wrecks.

But the big question is, probably already been asked here, how MUCH thorium is on the planet? Is there enough for EVERY person in the USA let alone on the planet.
     
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You know from a business standpoint if an oil company can produce oil the way Joule is making it cheaper than mining it from the earth in the middle of the sea then why would they not invest in it?

Then we have this new engine technology that can produce way more power than gasoline.

Here we have two ways to make money: a cheap way to fuel legacy gasoline cars and two a new type of engine that will continue to force people to buy new cars (and probably more than simply a car, maybe a flying car).

There is plenty of money to be made here, it would be really stupid for any oil company to not invest in this.
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As far as power goes, yeah, 250 megawatts is enough to power entire cities let alone a car. We'd probably start seeing fatman level explosions in car wrecks.

But the big question is, probably already been asked here, how MUCH thorium is on the planet? Is there enough for EVERY person in the USA let alone on the planet.
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As for the mining, the reserves are there, with 440,000 tons alone in the U.S., we just need the mining facilities to extract it in large enough quantities. With the potential benefits that is sure to happen.

lets see. there is 307,006,550 people in the US

there are 1,000,000 Grams in a ton

So.. 440,000 tons times A million.. Equals
440,000,000,000 grams of Thorium in the US.

Accroding to the Article 8 Grams will Outlast the lifespan of the cars themselves

So that means that theres is going to be 8 grams for

440,000,000,000 divided by 8 is..

55,000,000,000

there is enough grams to power for a lifetime or more to power 55,000,000,000 thorium powered Vehicles

Its way more than enough Thorium for the US Population.
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Had to go to winkipedia for I am no thorium expert, however I am pretty good at chemistry, but to get an idea of Alpha Radiation penetrating particle, look at this pick



That's alpha bieng block by a piece of paper, gamma bieng block by foil and gamma eventually penetrating dense objects.

If a car was in an accident, or a fire, the thorium would have to be exposed to the fire for a very long time before it would be further decayed by anything besides the laser.

I cant justify not having safety concerns, but I dont think it so dangerous that we shouldn't try to get this project moving foward extremley fast.

How much GDP does your country spend on Gasoline?
Edited by fapestar - 8/12/11 at 3:11pm
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You know from a business standpoint if an oil company can produce oil the way Joule is making it cheaper than mining it from the earth in the middle of the sea then why would they not invest in it?

Then we have this new engine technology that can produce way more power than gasoline.

Here we have two ways to make money: a cheap way to fuel legacy gasoline cars and two a new type of engine that will continue to force people to buy new cars (and probably more than simply a car, maybe a flying car).

There is plenty of money to be made here, it would be really stupid for any oil company to not invest in this.

Money makes you stupid.

Oil companies are investing the bulk of their money trying to find new places to drill...that's all dude. More drilling and more efficient refining.

They are oil men. They dont want corn, or thorium or electric or anything taking away from thier business.

8 grams for a lifetime....how much business is in that? We already have enough reserved to get this moving 200% without oil companies butting in.


PEOPLE ARE GREEDY. THE RICH ARE THE GREEDIEST. THEY WILL, WITH ALL THEIR LOBBYING POWER TRY TO DESTROY THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THREATENS THEIR PROFITS.
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