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Originally Posted by Bluescreen_Of_Death View Post
God forbid if Linux can't automagically read your mind and do everything for you...

Linux isn't perfect by any means. But neither is Windows, and there are advantages to both. Windows' advantages start and end with it's market adoption.
We agree on this,it is 100% assured that Windows isn't perfect.When i start to think about improvements for windows alot of ideas come to my mind.

For example the file system,the updating functionality (God knows when we will have a Windows OS where you don't need to restart) etc etc, we can talk also in many improvemnts in Modularity,the transition to 64-bit only. etc etc
Edited by Eduardv - 8/14/11 at 3:09pm
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post #132 of 142
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We agree on this,it is 100% assured that Windows isn't perfect.When i start to think about improvements for windows alot of ideas come to my mind.

For example the file system,the updating functionality (God knows when we will have a Windows OS where you don't need to restart) etc etc, we can talk also in many improvemnts in Modularity,the transition to 64-bit only. etc etc
The problem is, Microsoft has to worry about backwards compatability. Windows will take years still to become anywhere near as modular as Linux because it would take re-designing the entire OS, and that would break many legacy applications.

Hell, locking down admin permissions from 3.1 and up has broken many an application. That's why compatability mode exists, and why it's taken MS so long to even achieve a sudo-ish environment [UAC].
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We don't need a 3rd party program, the OS does it by itself quite easily.

If you're trying to say that Oh linux is so hard to use and see how massively right you are...Well, good luck, Ubuntu and Mint are easier to use than Windows.
in ease of use I would admit that they are comparable. The problem is that to get them to a state of out of the box usability they have become bloated down to the point where they just suck to use. Windows 7 easily bests either.

Linux lacks polish. It's too clunky to use as a desktop. Even OSX, as much as I hate using it, is a much more polished UI.
    
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in ease of use I would admit that they are comparable. The problem is that to get them to a state of out of the box usability they have become bloated down to the point where they just suck to use. Windows 7 easily bests either.

Linux lacks polish. It's too clunky to use as a desktop. Even OSX, as much as I hate using it, is a much more polished UI.
This isn't 2001 anymore.

Unless you have some obscure hardware, everything works out of the box except 3d acceleration, and thats fixed by installing the closed source GPU drivers, which takes 1-2 clicks.
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orly? it is because nobody use them right? because command lines are so much fun!

Install Equinox GTK theme collection and Faenza icon theme ! Time reduced by 40%,you just have to do this:
Or alternatively download the files, go to the themes manager and add it via there, or find the .themes or w/e it's called in your /home and put the files there.
Much easier than having to patch, etc with Windows.

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in ease of use I would admit that they are comparable. The problem is that to get them to a state of out of the box usability they have become bloated down to the point where they just suck to use. Windows 7 easily bests either.

Linux lacks polish. It's too clunky to use as a desktop. Even OSX, as much as I hate using it, is a much more polished UI.
Hardly bloated, they still run faster and have less bloat than Windows 7 (15GB install vs ~7GB iirc) and even an Arch or Gentoo install has been proven to not be much faster, I had to install Ubuntu 11.04 on an old P4 with a 80GB Seagate 7200.7, XP booted in ~1 and a half minutes, Ubuntu 11.04 halved that and Arch was a bit quicker than Ubuntu.

As for polish, I'd agree...if you're using a more DIY distro or a less popular UI (eg. LXDE) but for Gnome2, KDE and Unity? From what I can see, as polished as Win7 is at least.
    
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(God knows when we will have a Windows OS where you don't need to restart)
You know something is wrong when Microsoft Office updates require a restart. It's an office suite! Why should the system uptime be adversely affected by the updating of userspace applications?

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in ease of use I would admit that they are comparable. The problem is that to get them to a state of out of the box usability they have become bloated down to the point where they just suck to use. Windows 7 easily bests either.
Windows, Ubuntu and mint are all a little bloated, although not as bad as most people make the out to be; at least not initially. Windows 7 still suffers from "Windows rot" and slows down significantly over time. I can't speak for the other two as I only run a distro for 12 hours or less before installing something else.

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Linux lacks polish. It's too clunky to use as a desktop. Even OSX, as much as I hate using it, is a much more polished UI.
Linux will always lag behind in polish, particularly for GTK+ applications. KDE does include many applications as part of the project as a whole, but GNOME doesn't have a great deal of integration at all. Most applications feel like they were built separately and bolted on to the rest of the system (which they were, in fact). Of course this is no different to many Windows applications, but to a far lesser extent unless you're installing random tiny applications.

OSX has fantastic integration, but that's what you will be able to achieve in a fairly closed system.
    
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No sorry... The only reason Linux has a 60% market share is because 'it doesn't cost anything' and honestly, that isn't entirely true given that Red Hat Enterprise Linux(RHEL) cost money and I believe it RHEL has the largest share in the server space of any Linux distro.

If Windows Server is making 40% of the server revenue versus only 19% for all Linux versions combined, then it isn't cheaper to use. This is just a matter of simple inductive reasoning...

In terms of ease of use, well there's no way I will take your word for it as I haven't used either.
Red Hat cost money because you're buying tech support, a logo, and a manual. download CentOS and OH LOOK! Same OS but free! But Red Hat is only $60 a copy per disc and manual vs. the large expenses of Any Windows Server OS. I would know about both these servers, why Linux is cheaper, and why Linux is easier to use because i have bought Red Hat, used both in a work environment, and im also certified. You havent used either by your own admittance. You're argument is invalid on the grounds that you dont know anything about the subjects. Its just a matter of simple inductive reasoning.
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Say what you will about Linux, it's still the "hackers" choice, and always will be...

There are just too many things you can't do on Windows that you can do on Linux, sorry Windows, but you are definitely talking about those not "In the Know"...
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I am constantly switching between a Windows server environment and a Linux one. Windows is such a cluster@#$ compared to linux when you actually want to get something done it's ridiculous. Linux is very straightforward as long as you know where to start from.
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That's one of the main reasons for being an enthusiast, regardless of what you are an enthusiast about. Do you really think that OCN would be as active as it is if nobody thought that everybody else was wrong? It's the whole reason this thread didn't stop after 3 posts. Everybody here is convinced that they are right.
It's almost like religion... If OCN becomes religion does that mean OCN it self would have to close down on the basis that it's not allowed to be itself in the rules?
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