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Originally Posted by BizzareRide View Post
No sorry... The only reason Linux has a 60% market share is because 'it doesn't cost anything'
Your right. It has nothing to do with the fact that Linux is less resource intensive, more secure, and more adaptable. It's purely because the software is free

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Originally Posted by Eduardv View Post
So many people reverting back to windows because it takes time to install things on Linux in Command line.

The Linux Ecosystem is so diverse that it is a mess.
If you're resorting to the command line to install stuff, you're doing it wrong. Ubuntu / Linux Mint is gui driven to the extreme.

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Originally Posted by Nowyn View Post
There's a reason why games are not written with Java. The main advantage that Java has ie cross-platform support is also it's greatest weakness, cause the way they achieve it is by essentially running a virtual machine that will run Java code with makes it not efficient for any intensive apps. Games generally is written in C++ as far as i can tell hence the C++ libraries most games install.

Tho your statement is false, The alternative is called OpenGL which was used a lot back in a day and is still kinda mirrors DX features. A C++ games utilizing OpenGL will run on every platform/
IIRC OpenGL was THE standard for video API's until MS forced DirectX into a dominate position by threatening to remove OpenGL from Windows.

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Originally Posted by La Soapy View Post
Yeah, even PS3's and Macintosh's support OpenGL. They had a big article in Atomic this month. The 360's support for OpenGL isn't really there however.
The Xbox's original name was DirectXbox, so OpenGL support for it is nonexistent.

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Originally Posted by paulerxx View Post
For what reason? Inferior drivers, programs?
Less intensive, more flexability, more secure.

EDIT: If you want to moan about poor driver support, email AMD and tell them to pick up their slack. It isn't Linux's fault that third party drivers suck.

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Originally Posted by uncholowapo View Post
As a linux user since 2009 (started with YDL on my PS3), the gaming aspect is actually very poor. The main thing that is stopping full commercial gaming is the many many different versions of software distributed between the many distros that exist. One of the reasons games are so popular on windows is the stability of the actual OS and common interfaces. Some people may want to game on a system with Debian while another wants to game on one with Arch. One is older than the other and the devs will have to take into account something as simple as noting that Debian could still have the joystick interface at /dev/js0 while Arch has it moved to /dev/input/js0.
The distro doesn't matter. The package manager would probably determine how the game is installed, but if you support the main two [yum, apt], the community will make packages that support the other package managers [pacman, portage, etc].
Edited by Bluescreen_Of_Death - 8/12/11 at 8:54pm
post #52 of 142
It never was as linux supporters thought that useability was a sign of simple or insecure. If linux, still to this day, has such poor support for modern hardware, it isn't going to go anywhere. If it still takes hours to install a video driver, just to find out it doesn't work, it is not going to go anywhere.

Linux is geared towards closed systems and works great for those markets. It is wonderful for gaming consoles, tablets, mobile devices; ones that is for specialized use. The moment it gets slabbed on an actual "open-world" for hardware, it doesn't have the support needed to do anything significant. People want something that works out of the box or works on a clean install.

It's funny. These "open" kernals are more geared towards "closed" hardware.
post #53 of 142
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It never was as linux supporters thought that useability was a sign of simple or insecure. If linux, still to this day, has such poor support for modern hardware, it isn't going to go anywhere. If it still takes hours to install a video driver, just to find out it doesn't work, it is not going to go anywhere.
Unless you're compiling a driver from source, it won't take hours unless you type at like 1 keystroke per 10 seconds. And that's only if you're installing through terminal.

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Originally Posted by Domino View Post
Linux is geared towards closed systems and works great for those markets. It is wonderful for gaming consoles, tablets, mobile devices; ones that is for specialized use. The moment it gets slabbed on an actual "open-world" for hardware, it doesn't have the support needed to do anything significant. People want something that works out of the box or works on a clean install.

It's funny. These "open" kernals are more geared towards "closed" hardware.
It isn't that Linux is 'geared' toward closed hardware, it's that hardware manufacturers ar placing windows driver development on a higher priority level than Linux.

For hardware manufacturers to code better drivers for Linux on a more prompt timeline, linux will need to see better adoption, but to see better adoption, it needs better drivers. Round and round we go!

Most drivers you use on a Linux machine were coded by the same people who wrote the Linux kernel. They come home in their spare time and do this stuff, unless they're lucky enough to be a linux dev at a company like IBM or Google. The fact that a DIY operating system like Linux can be considered enough of a threat for MS to want to publicly blow them off speaks volumes IMO.
post #54 of 142
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Poor Linux, never gets any credit for not sucking as hard as Windows. Still outnumbered so greatly in the consumer market by it.
*looks at your sig rig*
post #55 of 142
Linux has the potential to make Microsoft look pathetic. There just aren't enough employees working on a single distro. I'm not sure of the numbers, but I think that even the distro that is the most formidable contender to Microsoft doesn't have nearly as many employees trying to make it perfect.
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It never was as linux supporters thought that useability was a sign of simple or insecure. If linux, still to this day, has such poor support for modern hardware, it isn't going to go anywhere. If it still takes hours to install a video driver, just to find out it doesn't work, it is not going to go anywhere.
If I remember right, Linux was the first to recieve USB 3.0 support in the kernel. I don't know where your getting that at. If anything they support the hardware right as it comes out and as long as that hardware is popular with the masses, they will keep it alive. Like Bluescreen_Of_Death said, its all in the drivers. Preliminary support is always there though.

A video driver certainly doesn't take hours to install. More like minutes. If your talking about configuration, then its different for everyone. The people that take hours are the ones with multiple monitors and cards.
Edited by uncholowapo - 8/12/11 at 10:40pm
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Linux has the potential to make Microsoft look pathetic. There just aren't enough employees working on a single distro. I'm not sure of the numbers, but I think that even the distro that is the most formidable contender to Microsoft doesn't have nearly as many employees trying to make it perfect.
That's the thing, most of the development that goes in towards the kernel and other open source projects comes from people that do it mainly for fun and the advancement of the community. The people that get paid to improve the kernel like the Red Hat employees do it for the companies reasons not their own. It makes total sense too considering the fact that red hat is probably on a good majority of business servers.

So in essence, linux doesn't need money thrown at it as it needs love
post #59 of 142
Linux isn't a serious competitor on the desktop. It ranges from unusable without a ton of configuration to bloated garbage.

I watched a coworker spend hours trying to fix his sound in Ubuntu just yesterday. It's pathetic. Linux can stay on servers, it works well. Stable, cheap, and easy to use once you know what you are doing.

Once you start slapping on half baked crappy GUI's and try to call it a desktop OS it just turns to crap.
    
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