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Originally Posted by serge2k View Post
Linux isn't a serious competitor on the desktop. It ranges from unusable without a ton of configuration to bloated garbage.

I watched a coworker spend hours trying to fix his sound in Ubuntu just yesterday. It's pathetic. Linux can stay on servers, it works well. Stable, cheap, and easy to use once you know what you are doing.

Once you start slapping on half baked crappy GUI's and try to call it a desktop OS it just turns to crap.
That's not it's "range" on the desktop. It ranges from full out of the box functionality to no support at all. You post is like saying "Pizzas range from crappy to garbage" because you don't like pizza and you saw a coworker choke on an olive once.
post #62 of 142
It's quite interesting to see how a lot of users like to run linux purely to "stick it to the man" and not run Microsoft software, and have this deluded idea that within the next 5-10 years (I've been hearing this for 15 years) it's going to completely replace Windows.

Conversely, a lot of Windows users have the idea that Linux is total rubbish, which is completely wrong.

Linux and Windows are two completely different operating systems, for different types of people. While an engineer might have countless uses for Linux over Windows, the average Joe who wants to loadup Call of Duty or run Office wouldn't see the benefit - even tho there might be open source alternatives to the applications they are running.

Linux has a ton of features I wish Windows had, the package manager is amazing, the filesystem is far superior, hell kde/gnome looks a hell of a lot nicer and there's a ton of cool and unusual applications - there's a lot about it that's waaay better than Windows.

However, gaming on linux sucks. Say what you want, but the fact is when BF3 comes out, Windows will run it, linux will not. This is OCN after all, and most have pretty highend hardware which would (in most cases) go to waste in linux.

The application support just isn't there either, no fault of linux, but all the commercial software is developed for Windows. Sure, the idea is to have open source alternatives, but they either are not developed fast enough or do not live up to the standards of the Windows counterpart.

In an ideal world, we would be running linux with support for all the new games, the latest hardware and peripherals and any applications we need.

Unfortunately, I don't see that happening.
post #63 of 142
linux is meh
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Originally Posted by Cacophony View Post
linux is meh
Windows is meh.
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Originally Posted by uncholowapo View Post
If anything they support the hardware right as it comes out and as long as that hardware is popular with the masses, they will keep it alive.
Actually, it is kept alive long after the masses stopped using it. There are kernel modules for hardware that hasn't been used in the mainstream for 15+ years. Does anyone still use ISA or MCA devices?

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That's the thing, most of the development that goes in towards the kernel and other open source projects comes from people that do it mainly for fun and the advancement of the community.
Most projects, yes, but not the kernel. The kernel is largely developed by paid employees who do it for their job.

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Linux isn't a serious competitor on the desktop. It ranges from unusable without a ton of configuration to bloated garbage.
That means that the perfect desktop exists, you've just got to find the right point of that range.
    
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i wait for the day linux takes over then we see whos laughing lol
 
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i wait for the day linux takes over then we see whos laughing lol
There was a time when I thought Linux should take over the desktop as well.

But I've come to realize, if game developers simply swap to OpenGL and release linux variants of their games, I'll be happy with Linux the way it is: a fringe market operating system.
post #68 of 142
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i wait for the day linux takes over then we see whos laughing lol
I hope you're as patient as buddha.
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Why did MS consider them a threat in the first place? The avg computer user probably doesn't even know what Linux is, but they sure as hell know who MS is.

A bit over 10 years ago, there was a big industry hoopla about the inevitable rise of desktop Linux. Only Linux fanboys and the trade rags ever gave it serious credit, as the business world all but required MS Office to run on an average employee's desktop. MS rightly took the threat seriously even despite that fact. And as has been implied, it didn't hurt the fact that they could list another competitor in the midst of an antitrust investigation.

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Instead it's slapping MS left and right in the server and mobile market.
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Linux still makes up the majority when it comes down to servers.
Profit is a different story.
I don't know why you are so confident that Linux dominates the server market. For one, there is no single way to come up with reliable industry-wide figures. I pinged Wikipedia, and they list two methods...both tell different stories, but neither tell the complete picure. It's clear that Linux is dominant in publicly visible servers (e.g. public web servers). But it's also clear that Windows dominates Linux 2 or 3-to-1 in sales channels. That uncercounts Linux, I admit; but only a blind or willfully ignorant person fails to recognize that internal systems are heavily populated with Windows servers...Exchange and SharePoint don't run on anything else, after all. Anecdotally, in my state government (in which I have extreme visibility), Linux is there to be sure; but is secondary to "real" Unix, and both combined are dwarfed by Windows servers.

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Linux/Unix/*bsd all dominate in Server, HPC, mobile devices. With the limitations of Server 2008 of 2TB RAM and most Enterprise and HPC need more than 2TB.
Uh..."most" Enterprise databases most definitely do not need more than 2TB of RAM. "Most" enterprise databases are not nearly so demanding.

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IIRC OpenGL was THE standard for video API's until MS forced DirectX into a dominate position by threatening to remove OpenGL from Windows.
That may have happened, but I have no such recollection, nor can I find reference to it. The real issue appears to have been poor performance of OpenGL on Windows, which was rooted in MS's implementation apparently.

But that's irrelevant and complaining about it now is meaningless. DirectX is a good API now (according to experts like John Carmack anyway), even if it is proprietary to Windows. The API wars ended a decade ago, and I'm happy to see them gone.

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The Xbox's original name was DirectXbox, so OpenGL support for it is nonexistent.
Point? OpenGL is on the PS3, but from what I've read it is not used because of (once again) bad performance. The presence or absence of OpenGL (or any API) is not a bellweather of anything.

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i wait for the day linux takes over then we see whos laughing lol
Fair enough. Meanwhile, I'll laugh at you while you wait for a day that will never arrive.
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but linux is free.
my windows server 2008 r2 enterprise x64 as well
costed me 0 usd
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