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As a linux user since 2009 (started with YDL on my PS3), the gaming aspect is actually very poor. The main thing that is stopping full commercial gaming is the many many different versions of software distributed between the many distros that exist. One of the reasons games are so popular on windows is the stability of the actual OS and common interfaces. Some people may want to game on a system with Debian while another wants to game on one with Arch. One is older than the other and the devs will have to take into account something as simple as noting that Debian could still have the joystick interface at /dev/js0 while Arch has it moved to /dev/input/js0.
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I've never understood the Linux on desktop thing(at least now). After the release of OSX in 2001 who would use Linux on the desktop? If you want a Unix based system just use OSX. Better application support, gui looks much better than anything I have ever seen from the KDE and Gnome community(and I have looked a lot), gaming support is better, and is pretty easy to install on any hardware.

Plus you have the complete bash shell, can watch Netflix, and font smoothing is pretty good too. Although I seem to like Ubuntu's font smoothing in Gnome a little better than anything I've used.

And Brutuz don't start posting themes in your post again, we've already been down that road. They all are terrible.

Also Java SWT font smoothing in Linux is terrible making Netbeans unusable.
    
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I am surprised they ever thought Linux was a threat.
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There's a reason why games are not written with Java. The main advantage that Java has ie cross-platform support is also it's greatest weakness, cause the way they achieve it is by essentially running a virtual machine that will run Java code with makes it not efficient for any intensive apps. Games generally is written in C++ as far as i can tell hence the C++ libraries most games install.

Tho your statement is false, The alternative is called OpenGL which was used a lot back in a day and is still kinda mirrors DX features. A C++ games utilizing OpenGL will run on every platform/
C++ games using OpenGL will indeed run on every platform (short of some phones and other handheld devices), however the developer will have to take the time to write a cross-platform code base and then write separate chunks of code for each platform. And that is why a lot of games will not run on Mac or Linux (without something like Wine), because it takes a lot of time and money to write a cross platform game, and developers aren't going to take the time to do that if there isn't enough profit in it. Java is perfectly viable for some games, the developer writes it once and they're pretty much good to go for all java-supported platforms, however most AAA titles need to be highly optimized and often use 3rd party middleware like Havok and Scaleform, and those aren't going to work in Java unless you create a wrapper you can call to from Java, which also takes a good amount of work.

Back to the main topic, I'm not sure why there is even an argument in these threads about this, it's a no-brainer why Linux isn't a threat to Windows on home PCs, and that's because it's not user-friendly for people that aren't computer savy. 80% of people out there couldn't tell you what a command-line is, and wouldn't know the first thing about it; They don't know how to update drivers, or even what hardware is running in their PC, so you can't expect them to find ways to make Linux play nice with their sound card or video card, etc. Windows makes it easy enough for them to almost never worry about these things. Microsoft is only worried about one other OS for desktop PCs, and that's OSX.
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call me a die hard romantic or whatever you shall, but when i think of linux vs windows arguments, my mind wonders over to a date in history, july 4th 1776. when a small group of arrogant colonist, flipped king george of britian (the mightiest empire the world had seen for the time) the bird.

i really don't want linux to ever become a drop in replacement for windows, i want it to continue on its own path, becoming whatever it shall be. if that means it is forever regulated to the niche market, with roughly a 1% user market. fine by me.

as for why MS always considered linux a threat, always baffled me, the best explanation i ever heard was, paranoia. i guess now MS has real competition, in all markets, with google and apple.
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It's a little narrow minded to judge an OS's success based on profitablility. Linux isn't meant to be profitable, its open source.
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See but when you spend thousands of dollars on server equipment...you go with what you can refund. By the way if my company was worth a couple trillion, I definitely would sign a contract with Microsoft for the sole purpose that my customers get what they know how to use best.
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That may have happened, but I have no such recollection, nor can I find reference to it. The real issue appears to have been poor performance of OpenGL on Windows, which was rooted in MS's implementation apparently.
Here's where I remember reading about it:

http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-...nd-not-DirectX

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But that's irrelevant and complaining about it now is meaningless. DirectX is a good API now (according to experts like John Carmack anyway), even if it is proprietary to Windows. The API wars ended a decade ago, and I'm happy to see them gone.
I know you can't read tone in text, so I'll assure you I wasn't complaining. I wish OpenGL would make a comeback because I believe that an open standard is better than a proprietary one, but I'm aware that I'm powerless to change the way things are.

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Point? OpenGL is on the PS3, but from what I've read it is not used because of (once again) bad performance. The presence or absence of OpenGL (or any API) is not a bellweather of anything.
Just wondering, is there a reason you're interpreting everything as an attack today?

I'm just trying to add to the discussion. DirectX is on top right now. That's not up for discussion. But because of that, I can't discuss the fall of OpenGL?


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I've never understood the Linux on desktop thing(at least now). After the release of OSX in 2001 who would use Linux on the desktop? If you want a Unix based system just use OSX. Better application support, gui looks much better than anything I have ever seen from the KDE and Gnome community(and I have looked a lot), gaming support is better, and is pretty easy to install on any hardware.

Plus you have the complete bash shell, can watch Netflix, and font smoothing is pretty good too. Although I seem to like Ubuntu's font smoothing in Gnome a little better than anything I've used.

And Brutuz don't start posting themes in your post again, we've already been down that road. They all are terrible.

Also Java SWT font smoothing in Linux is terrible making Netbeans unusable.
OSX only recently added package management for one, which is arguably THE most useful thing about Linux.

Also, OSX gives you no choice from what I understand. Don't like the GUI? Tough luck. And the only way to get OSX is to buy a macbook, which are fairly expensive.
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It's quite interesting to see how a lot of users like to run linux purely to "stick it to the man" and not run Microsoft software, and have this deluded idea that within the next 5-10 years (I've been hearing this for 15 years) it's going to completely replace Windows.

Conversely, a lot of Windows users have the idea that Linux is total rubbish, which is completely wrong.

Linux and Windows are two completely different operating systems, for different types of people. While an engineer might have countless uses for Linux over Windows, the average Joe who wants to loadup Call of Duty or run Office wouldn't see the benefit - even tho there might be open source alternatives to the applications they are running.

Linux has a ton of features I wish Windows had, the package manager is amazing, the filesystem is far superior, hell kde/gnome looks a hell of a lot nicer and there's a ton of cool and unusual applications - there's a lot about it that's waaay better than Windows.

However, gaming on linux sucks. Say what you want, but the fact is when BF3 comes out, Windows will run it, linux will not. This is OCN after all, and most have pretty highend hardware which would (in most cases) go to waste in linux.

The application support just isn't there either, no fault of linux, but all the commercial software is developed for Windows. Sure, the idea is to have open source alternatives, but they either are not developed fast enough or do not live up to the standards of the Windows counterpart.

In an ideal world, we would be running linux with support for all the new games, the latest hardware and peripherals and any applications we need.

Unfortunately, I don't see that happening.
I could see KDE, but gnome is pretty ugly.
    
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I could see KDE, but gnome is pretty ugly.
Nah, just need the right themes/customizations.
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