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Have to disagree linux is actually nice for almost everything the average user does. The only thing it isn't great at is gaming since it is opengl only.
yet it doesn't have all the drivers for stuff such as printers,etc. Can someone please explain how Linux would be better if my printer only has the driver for Windows. I need the most honest answer possible on why Linux would still be better despite that.
    
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yet it doesn't have all the drivers for stuff such as printers,etc. Can someone please explain how Linux would be better if my printer only has the driver for Windows. I need the most honest answer possible on why Linux would still be better despite that.
The fact that the company you bought your printer from doesn't code linux drivers doesn't make windows better. It simply means that the manufacturer only supports Windows.

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Which one do you want Windows to look like? Give me 3 or 4.
I'm at work at the moment, and they block most freeware related sites [{gnome,kde}-look included], so I can't specify which ones. But if you can add taskbars and re-arrange the location of things on the taskbars with ease without breaking the EULA, I will eat my sock.
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Besides that, Linux has not won in the server Market,Microsoft still do a lot of profit and growing in the server world. In fact it is the most profitable competitor of all.
Erm, it's hard to be the most profitable competitor when you mostly are free, with only RH being an exception afaik.
It's marketshare that counts, not income.

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Linux/Unix/*bsd all dominate in Server, HPC, mobile devices. With the limitations of Server 2008 of 2TB RAM and most Enterprise and HPC need more than 2TB.
As well as the massive retardation in Windows' design and the fact Linux tends to use hardware better. (50k PPD increase in F@H on a friends SR-2 just from going from Win7 to Ubuntu.)

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The problem with server reports is that there are too many unreported servers. You don't need a license to buy a Linux server, so there for nothing gets counted. This happens a lot more than you would like to believe and is an innate downfall of Linux marketing (desktop/server). Things don't get reported because you have no reason to report them.
Indeed.

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When it comes to revenue, Windows Server far outpaces Linux.

This deduces the cost running Windows server to less than that of Linux = Profit $
Revenue for MS maybe (It's hard to compete in revenue when your product is mostly offered for free, legally)

But for the average business?

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No sorry... The only reason Linux has a 60% market share is because 'it doesn't cost anything' and honestly, that isn't entirely true given that Red Hat Enterprise Linux(RHEL) cost money and I believe it RHEL has the largest share in the server space of any Linux distro.
It couldn't be that Linux just uses hardware much more efficiently than Windows, could it?

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Linux is free, and Windows isn't yet Windows STILL has the bigger market share. Doesn't this say something?
Yeah, it does.

It proves that UNIX (Which for the most part, wasn't free and was actually quite expensive) lost to DOS and now we have Windows because of legacy applications.

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Originally Posted by Eduardv View Post
So many people reverting back to windows because it takes time to install things on Linux in Command line.

The Linux Ecosystem is so diverse that it is a mess.
Get out of 2001 please, Ubuntu/Mint don't require you to touch the command line to install anything the average user would want.


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How exactly is Linux better for gaming?
DX is only just catching up to OpenGL in terms of features and optimization now, and as for CPU performance? Linux destroys Windows.


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It never was as linux supporters thought that useability was a sign of simple or insecure. If linux, still to this day, has such poor support for modern hardware, it isn't going to go anywhere. If it still takes hours to install a video driver, just to find out it doesn't work, it is not going to go anywhere.
I can't say I've ever had that problem, even when I went through ~8 distros in one day on my ATI (i.e. Notoriously bad Linux drivers) based laptop.


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And Brutuz don't start posting themes in your post again, we've already been down that road. They all are terrible.
It's purely an opinion on it, some hate Windows Aero, others love Classic, others love KDE, etc.

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See but when you spend thousands of dollars on server equipment...you go with what you can refund. By the way if my company was worth a couple trillion, I definitely would sign a contract with Microsoft for the sole purpose that my customers get what they know how to use best.
Your customers shouldn't be using the server OS unless you're hiring out servers...In which case, Linux is the best to have. Period.

Most server admins would know how to use it anyway, unless they're completely under-qualified and need a GUI.

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And, on topic, please remember that OSx.xx is stolen.; it is bsd-hacked, and in fact that would be a better description of OSX. Apple don't write Operating Systems - because they are so crap at it. Apple do not innovate - they take and modify (as per the BEST jap companies, too.).

NOT an apple hater...
Fun fact: MS-DOS wasn't originally written by MS, they bought the rights to 86-DOS/QDOS and used that.
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If I may throw in my two cents, Linux users always seem more arrogant to me. Because "I'm different and I'm so much more sophisticated than you *scoff* WINDOWS users, I must be better.". Gets irritating after awhile. And to the above post, Directx is just now catching up to OpenGL? Are you SERIOUS!? It's not even a fair fight between DirectX and OpenGL. DirectX 9 could crush the current distribution of OpenGL.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ectx,2019.html
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yet it doesn't have all the drivers for stuff such as printers,etc. Can someone please explain how Linux would be better if my printer only has the driver for Windows. I need the most honest answer possible on why Linux would still be better despite that.
You bought hardware that doesn't have Linux support, which means you made a bad purchasing decision if you plan was to run Linux. Hardware and software requirements are printed on the packaging for a reason, I recommend that you read them. If you're still unsure there is Google.

FYI, my scanner doesn't work properly with any recent x86-64 version of Windows. I don't blame Windows for that, I blame the manufacturer for dropping support. It also doesn't work with Linux, but I know that if any semi-recent open source drivers were released that my scanner would work for many years to come (probably far longer than necessary), unlike on Windows.

To answer you question: there is no answer. "Better" doesn't mean anything on its own. You are using a comparative term with two operating systems but with no specified criteria. It's as silly as me asking why I should believe that bananas are better than Lamborghinis. You should really expand on your question because Linux might not be better, but it also might.
    
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If I may throw in my two cents, Linux users always seem more arrogant to me.
I think that tech-savvy users of any OS are generally arrogant. We look down on less computer-literate users all the time and get defensive when someone else takes a swipe at what we run (like it really matters). You don't see Joe Bloggs having flame wars about whose sticker is on his video card.
    
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Erm, it's hard to be the most profitable competitor when you mostly are free, with only RH being an exception afaik.
It's marketshare that counts, not income.
When your software is paid against free products that is success,it is the easy management of windows that destroys all linux distros together. Linux is not meant for the PC market,Besides that Windows provides enpugh tool for the vast mayority of people.



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Get out of 2001 please, Ubuntu/Mint don't require you to touch the command line to install anything the average user would want.
And the other distros? because 1 distro operates without command line,i have to say that the entire world of linux operates without command line? Give me a break.
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And the other distros? because 1 distro operates without command line,i have to say that the entire world of linux operates without command line? Give me a break.
Who really cares? What is a GUI but another way of doing the exact same thing that you can do on a command line but with the requirement of constantly switching input devices? I can't do everything from the GUI with Windows either but I don't write the whole operating system off because some tasks that I need to do can't be done with eye candy and a plastic rodent. Trying to force yourself into a single interface is just plain stupid. Use the right interface for the job.
    
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When your software is paid against free products that is success,it is the easy management of windows that destroys all linux distros together. Linux is not meant for the PC market,Besides that Windows provides enpugh tool for the vast mayority of people.
Easy management?

Are you sure you've been using Windows?

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And the other distros? because 1 distro operates without command line,i have to say that the entire world of linux operates without command line? Give me a break.
There's a reason not every Linux distro supports GUI tools for everything: 9/10 times, it's faster to use the terminal than it is to wade through menus.

Code:
# apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
is easier than

Menu>Administrative Tools>Synaptic Package Manager>Update Package List>Mark All Upgrades>Apply All Updates.
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