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When Gnome 3 released, no distros supported it. With Debian and Mint sticking to Gnome 2 and Ubuntu moving to Unity it effectively launched with no community support, unless you want to count the few brave souls using Arch

But now that Fedora has made the full switch to Gnome 3 its finally starting to receive some attention, and we're getting a whole bunch of new extensions that actually make Gnome 3 usable.

This is the one that I think will push it over the edge. Its not done yet, as the author mentions it still needs right click menus and rearranging. It also needs click to minimize, which I will add myself if need be.


The craziest part is it doesn't even change the overall look of the panel. Its fills in unnecessary whitespace and fits right in with the theme.

// -- Start Lecture

The one thing the Gnome devs seemed to overlook is the importations of keeping the windows in the same spot. The overlay feature is nice, but it simply doesn't work for fast switching. The size and position of a window is often more important than its contents, and with the Activities overlay resizing and rearranging your windows it can get disorienting, especially when you're working with multiple smaller windows and need to switch back and forth rapidly. Using just the overlay, you'll probably spend 1/4 of your time just waiting for the stupid animations to finish.

Having a task bar provides you with a handle to a window that will never change. No matter how the windows are arranged it will always be in the same spot, and will be accessible without having to change the display. If I wanted to right now I could click on the terminal in my task bar without taking my eyes off of what I'm typing. I know exactly where each task is before I look, which speeds up my workflow immensely. Not only that, but being able to see which windows I have running without having to switch to some fancy view is what I would consider "basic functionality".

// End lecture

Now, I'm not going to call the Gnome devs computer-illiterate, but lets just say they have some interesting notions on how to actually use a computer. That they can't see this is surprising at the least.


But I guess that's what the community is for. I sure hope the Gnome devs are looking at the extensions people are making, because there are a ton of good ones.

Once this extension is mature the only real issue I'll have with the DE is the power drain. Its a bit less than KDE, but still way more than Gnome 2. But I figure I can just switch to Windows every time I need to conserve battery. On top of that, its already more stable than KDE4. What it does do, it does flawlessly without any of the minor behavioral inconsistencies or occasional crashes you expect from KDE.
    
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Close and minimize icons on the right instead of left?
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Close and minimize icons on the right instead of left?

Design 101: Tasks start at the left, end at the right, because western languages read left to right.

That's why the menu buttons are on the right, since menus are typically associated with starting tasks, while minimize and close are associated with finishing.

Our brains are trained to look to the top left when starting something, because when we read text we start reading each page and line at the top left. Going against this is counter-intuitive to basic human nature.
    
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gnome 3 FTL big time
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lol a few brave souls in arch...even by your own admittance a few weeks back, arch users didn't have much of a choice, due to the nature of arch...they either spent their time blacklisting what was it? a 1k packages, they upgraded to gnome 3, used another DE or simply refused to run pacman -Syu.
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I assume you're not actually using Fedora 15 then? Because while it might be good for Arch, Fedora 15 is a train wreck itself. I'm glad I actually tried GNOME 3 on Arch or I might have written the DE off even more than I already have. GNOME 3 and GNOME Shell on Arch isn't all that bad, but on Fedora 15 it is a steaming pile of bugs, lock-ups and crashes.
    
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I assume you're not actually using Fedora 15 then? Because while it might be good for Arch, Fedora 15 is a train wreck itself. I'm glad I actually tried GNOME 3 on Arch or I might have written the DE off even more than I already have. GNOME 3 and GNOME Shell on Arch isn't all that bad, but on Fedora 15 it is a steaming pile of bugs, lock-ups and crashes.
No, I'm still using Arch. I recently found out its a Canadian distro, and I'm too patriotic to use anything else.


And by the "few brave souls" comment, AFAIK Arch was the first distro to drop Gnome 2 support in favour of Gnome 3. IMO they did it way too early.

Its not perfect, but then neither was Mate. I ended up switching to Windows to escape the poor flash issues and I realized that if I wanted something simple and stable with good battery life that I might as well use Windows.

Gnome 3 is more of a challenge. Browbeating your distro into the shape you want is half the fun of Linux, and even though Gnome 3 is still extremely rigid, you can find extensions to do most of what you want now. A month ago that simply wasn't the case, and the closest you could get to "usable" in Gnome 3 was running Tint2.

Plus, I can almost go from grub to fully logged in in less time than it takes just to load KDE from an already running system. I clocked my boot time at just under 10 seconds running stock configuration and an unmodified kernel.
    
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I assume you're not actually using Fedora 15 then? Because while it might be good for Arch, Fedora 15 is a train wreck itself. I'm glad I actually tried GNOME 3 on Arch or I might have written the DE off even more than I already have. GNOME 3 and GNOME Shell on Arch isn't all that bad, but on Fedora 15 it is a steaming pile of bugs, lock-ups and crashes.
ITS A WHAT? DOES WHAT? Dude I have it on 2 machines, totally different hardware on both, and I have had 0 (count them, ZERO) issues what-so ever, outside of what any distro does with figuring out hardware support. What do you find so horrible? I found bliss!

EDIT: Look at my sig to see what DE I'm using.
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I stopped using Arch around the time Gnome 2.32 was coming out. Functionality was everything I wanted to be and the only reason I stopped is because I sold my laptop. I even made a GTK pixmap theme for it.

And just 2 weeks ago I come back to the mess that GNOME 3 is right now. As I am "startx"ing into GNOME 3, I'm so confused as to what to do but the main thing that irritated me more than the fact that I don't have icons on the desktop was that I don't have a right click menu. Oh and don't get me started on the Applications menu.

Seriously, if I wanted a touch interface I'd buy a cheap android tablet.
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ITS A WHAT? DOES WHAT? Dude I have it on 2 machines, totally different hardware on both, and I have had 0 (count them, ZERO) issues what-so ever, outside of what any distro does with figuring out hardware support. What do you find so horrible? I found bliss!

EDIT: Look at my sig to see what DE I'm using.
I don't see Fedora 15 with GNOME 3 there (unless I'm going blind). KDE works fine, if a little unpolished. They did a nice job of the KDM theme but the rest is fairly stock standard, which isn't really a bad thing, it just doesn't do much for brand identity.
    
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