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Ok, I am trying out all these ideas in my head, and what to do. Help me spend my money.

I am still debating on the video card issue. I want a new one. I wanted a gtx580, but I am still debating. That is like 460$, whereas a 480 is like 360, and a 570 is like 270$.

At the same time I will be building my little brother a new pc. He has 200$ to give me. LOL

I already have a PSU, and a Asus AM3+ board, but it isn't the greatest, and ram maybe.


So for his PC we will have to buy a CPU

AMD 955 = 113$
Case=?
HD's=50$
Optical drive=25$

plus random odd's and ends.

OR

I could put my current CPU/mobo/ram in his new computer, and make him give me 100$ for it, even though it is worth way more. Like 250?

Then I could buy a 2600k, and the Sabertooth p67. Thats 520$, before tax and ram. And he will give me the 100$. So I am out about 550$? Plus whatever video card I decide. I want to spend less than 1000$. Total. And that includes paying for whatever he doesnt have money for.

OR

I could keep my current setup and buy a video card of my choice and a SSD for my OS, and new ram (give him mine). Then make him buy the 955, and use my Asus 4+1 AM3+ board.

What am I going to enjoy more? All I do is game. Mainly BF2BC, and a little WoW, but would like to get into some other games maybe. Am I gonna be happier with a 2600k and a lower graphics card (to save money), or My current setup with different ram, a badass video card, and a SSD.

BTW I am completely happy with my setup now. I am comfortable overclocking it, etc. Going Intel will be new except for my stock laptop, and old Dell Dimension 2400. I just want to upgrade the video card for BF3, (and give it to the bro) and I want to build my little brother a computer he can game on better than his Alienware laptop.

OR I could be completely stingy and sell my mobo/cpu/video card, and make my bro buy ALL his own stuff. LOL But he is 16 with no job, and I have only known him less than a year. Trying to bond, and give him a belated birthday present.

Sorry for rambling.

Let me know what ya'll think. And don't be Intel biased. I am not rich by any means.

D

EDIT I COULD ALSO GO TO A 2500k.
Edited by Ihasfip - 8/13/11 at 4:39pm
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to be honest sell your set up to him, and make him fork over whatever, and then get i5 and etc etc

it will make him really get along with you, you can go lan partying together, and enhoy building it all together.

plus he wont come back for a while if you give him yours.
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That's a kind thing your willing to do for your brother. What are the specs of his Alienware laptop? I don't think it makes much sense to spend $1,000 on a new computer when you don't really need it. Do you have any spare parts you could use to build your brother's computer? What kind of gaming does your brother do and at what resolution?
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A Phenom X6 @ 4.2Ghz still boasts quite respectable performance.
They keep up with my build for the most part and when it comes to gaming/multimedia/multitasking the new Sandy Bridge CPU's aren't any faster.

They are in certain benchmarks and they have higher overclock potential though.
There are pro's and cons, but worth upgrading from your setup? No, imo.

Get rid of that GTX 295 and replace it with this:


Thats all your build needs.
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That's a kind thing your willing to do for your brother. What are the specs of his Alienware laptop? I don't think it makes much sense to spend $1,000 on a new computer when you don't really need it. Do you have any spare parts you could use to build your brother's computer? What kind of gaming does your brother do and at what resolution?
My brother has a Alienware m11x. R2. With a Core 2 duo...1.7ghz .

He plays EVERYTHING. Super big gamer. BF. Aion. SC2. Crysis. TF2. EVERYTHING. LOL. Currently he hooks his laptop to his 26" 1080p tv. And runs 2 screens essentially. But with a desktop he will be using just the one 26" screen.

I have a 650w TR2 psu, a Asus M4A785TD-M Evo, Ram ( I wanted to upgrade my ram so I was going to give him mine), I have a Asus Silent Square Evo CPU cooler, wireless N card, and my GTX295 (since I was going to upgrade already).

Originally I planned on just buy a new AM3+ mobo, and giving him mine, but I got the M4A78TD-M for 30$ so I figured it would work for a 955 overclocked. But I started wondering.

So originally all we needed to buy was a CPU, 2 120gb hd's for RAID, a case, and an optical drive. ( AND techincally if we went single hd, I could mod my Dell Dimension 2400 case to fit the small Mobo.

OHHHH and BTW this cpu has to be light enough to take with him on a plane. LOL.

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Get rid of that GTX 295 and replace it with this:


Thats all your build needs.
Well If I don't upgrade mobo/cpu I will be getting a 580 for sure.

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My brother has a Alienware m11x. R2. With a Core 2 duo...1.7ghz .

He plays EVERYTHING. Super big gamer. BF. Aion. SC2. Crysis. TF2. EVERYTHING. LOL. Currently he hooks his laptop to his 26" 1080p tv. And runs 2 screens essentially. But with a desktop he will be using just the one 26" screen.

I have a 650w TR2 psu, a Asus M4A785TD-M Evo, Ram ( I wanted to upgrade my ram so I was going to give him mine), I have a Asus Silent Square Evo CPU cooler, wireless N card, and my GTX295 (since I was going to upgrade already).

Originally I planned on just buy a new AM3+ mobo, and giving him mine, but I got the M4A78TD-M for 30$ so I figured it would work for a 955 overclocked. But I started wondering.

So originally all we needed to buy was a CPU, 2 120gb hd's for RAID, a case, and an optical drive. ( AND techincally if we went single hd, I could mod my Dell Dimension 2400 case to fit the small Mobo.

OHHHH and BTW this cpu has to be light enough to take with him on a plane. LOL.

D
Here is what I would suggest. It sounds like you have a good amount of components to start your brothers build which is helpful. Use all the components you said you have on hand (that includes some components from your current system). Then buy a 955BE for the CPU as it's a good CPU for the money and you already mentioned it as a possibility. For the case, instead of hacking the junky Dell Dimension 2400, go with a nice cheap case like the NZXT Gamma for $30.59 shipped (after code NZXTAUG11, expires 8/14) which is still a very nice case (I own a few, the side panels can be a little flimsy but they're nice cases). Then give him one of your Seagate 300GB hard drives or both if you want.

Now for your upgrade components I'd get a HD6950 2GB, 8GB of DDR3-1600+ RAM, and 128GB-256GB SSD. The HD6950 is a great bang for your buck card but if you prefer Nvidia the GTX570 would be great choice too. The RAM is really up to you but you really don't need more than 8GB and unless you get a great deal anything above DDR3-1600 will give minimal performance gains. Going for a single SSD instead of dual SSDs is my opinion. My reason for this is that you lose TRIM support with SSDs in RAID-0 (some SSDs do still support Garbage Collection when in RAID-0), the performance gains will be minimal from what I hear, and it's just simpler to use a single SSD leaving less room for things to go wrong. Again it's up to you. You might be able to get a deal on a previous generation SSD like I did which I got for slightly less than $1/GB off eBay. If you give your brother both Seagate 300GB drives then you could get something like a Samsung F3 1TB or F4 2TB, depending on your needs, to use as a data drive. I hope that helps you out and I wish you the very best with getting to know your brother. You sound like a very kind brother so I'm sure you'll do great!
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Here is what I would suggest. It sounds like you have good amount of components to start your brothers build which is helpful. Use all the components you said you have on hand (that includes some components from your current system). Then buy a 955BE for the CPU as it's a good CPU for the money and you already mentioned it as a possibility. For the case, instead of hacking the junky Dell Dimension 2400, go with a nice cheap case like the NZXT Gamma for $30.59 shipped (after code NZXTAUG11, expires 8/14) which is still a very nice case (I own a few, the side panels can be a little flimsy but their nice cases). Then give him one of your Seagate 300GB hard drives or both if you want.

Now for your upgrade components I'd get a HD6950 2GB, 8GB of DDR3-1600+ RAM, and 256GB SSD. The HD6950 is a great bang for your buck card but if you prefer Nvidia the GTX570 would be great choice too. The RAM is really up to you but you really don't need more than 8GB and unless you get a great deal anything above DDR3-1600 will give minimal performance gains. Going for a single SSD instead of dual SSDs is my opinion. My reason for this is that you lose TRIM support with SSDs in RAID-0 (some SSDs in do still support Garbage Collection when in RAID-0), and the performance gains will be minimal from what I hear. Again it's up to you. You might be able to get a deal on a previous generation SSD like I did which I got for close to $1/GB off eBay. If you give you brother both 300GB Seagate drives then you could get something like a Samsung F3 1TB or F4 2TB, depending on your needs, for your data. I hope that helps you out and I wish you the very best with getting to know your brother. You sound like a very kind brother so I'm sure you'll do great!
Well, unfortunately I will not have the money to do all this until around the 23rd, and he will be here 3 days later and for only a week. Ordering off the internet probably will be out of the picture. But I live just 20 mins from Frys. I thought about a 6950 but, I was unhappy with my previous experiences with ATI cards, the only way I would possibly go that way again is if it had better performance than a 580. As for the HD's, I don't think I would have enough money to buy a BIG sdd, and another hd. I have a 1tb external HD that I store all my important stuff on. The only thing currently installed on my pc is the OS, Office 2010, some gpu/cpu overclocking and monitoring software, WoW, and BFBC2. And a few benchmarking programs. Basically nothing. So I guess I could give him my hd's and buy a 64 or 128gb sdd, and one small 120g HDD. But I liked the speed increase with my hdds in raid.

I will have to crunch some numbers. I just always like to upgrade. Its like a disease. LOL. I enjoy it. I just wanted to make sure a new cpu/mobo/gpu wouldn't be better than just a new gpu and maybe a SDD or something. I want to get the BEST GPU, I can for the money, if I don't go the mobo, cpu route. A 6950, and a 570, just don't feel like they will cut it with me. I have a 295, and from what I have read the raw power it has, I will feel unimpressed with those choices. The graphics may look better, but I feel there will be less FPS.

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Well, unfortunately I will not have the money to do all this until around the 23rd, and he will be here 3 days later and for only a week. Ordering off the internet probably will be out of the picture. But I live just 20 mins from Frys. I thought about a 6950 but, I was unhappy with my previous experiences with ATI cards, the only way I would possibly go that way again is if it had better performance than a 580. As for the HD's, I don't think I would have enough money to buy a BIG sdd, and another hd. I have a 1tb external HD that I store all my important stuff on. The only thing currently installed on my pc is the OS, Office 2010, some gpu/cpu overclocking and monitoring software, WoW, and BFBC2. And a few benchmarking programs. Basically nothing. So I guess I could give him my hd's and buy a 64 or 128gb sdd, and one small 120g HDD. But I liked the speed increase with my hdds in raid.

I will have to crunch some numbers. I just always like to upgrade. Its like a disease. LOL. I enjoy it. I just wanted to make sure a new cpu/mobo/gpu wouldn't be better than just a new gpu and maybe a SDD or something. I want to get the BEST GPU, I can for the money, if I don't go the mobo, cpu route. A 6950, and a 570, just don't feel like they will cut it with me. I have a 295, and from what I have read the raw power it has, I will feel unimpressed with those choices. The graphics may look better, but I feel there will be less FPS.

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Like I said, you can go with Nvidia if you prefer since many prefer one over the other. I just think the HD6950 2GB is a great value. All three of those cards (GTX295, HD6950, and GTX570) will destroy games at 1920x1080 so in the end it's all really moot.

Believe me, the jump from RAID-0 HDDs to SSD is a much bigger than from single HDD to RAID-0 HDDs. A hard drive is just no comparison to an SSD. A lot of it has to do with the access time being almost zero for SSDs since there are no moving parts. This makes programs open almost instantly. With a hard drive the read/write head has to move to where the data is on the disk, making the access time much slower. If you really have that little amount of installed programs a 128GB SSD might be perfect, what is your OS disk usage right now? If you don't mind using the external hard drive for your data storage you could do that and have SSD as the sole internal drive (if 128GB will be enough that is).

I know I have the same problem with upgrading. A short time ago I bought a $900 refurbished Dell U3011 30" IPS monitor. I absolutely love it and have no regrets but I didn't really need it. I guess the want factor and awesomeness of the refurbished deal won out in the end. I wish you the best with everything and have fun with your bro!
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Like I said, you can go with Nvidia if you prefer since many prefer one over the other. I just think the HD6950 2GB is a great value. All three of those cards (GTX295, HD6950, and GTX570) will destroy games at 1920x1080 so in the end it's all really moot.

Believe me, the jump from RAID-0 HDDs to SSD is a much bigger than from single HDD to RAID-0 HDDs. A hard drive is just no comparison to an SSD. A lot of it has to do with the access time being almost zero for SSDs since there are no moving parts. This makes programs open almost instantly. With a hard drive the read/write head has to move to where the data is on the disk, making the access time much slower. If you really have that little amount of installed programs a 128GB SSD might be perfect, what is your OS disk usage right now? If you don't mind using the external hard drive for your data storage you could do that and have SSD as the sole internal drive (if 128GB will be enough that is).


I know I have the same problem with upgrading. A short time ago I bought a $900 refurbished Dell U3011 30" IPS monitor. I absolutely love it and have no regrets but I didn't really need it. I guess the want factor and awesomeness of the refurbished deal won out in the end. I wish you the best with everything and have fun with your bro!
I am using 102gb. I could probably make it less if I took some useless stuff off my computer. Just two of the benchmarking programs is like a gig. So I could cut it down if need be. I will go crunch some numbers and see what I can figure out.

My enitre sig rig was built from craigslist, with the exception of the fan controller, and the Antec Kuhler.

And yea, it will be fun building it with my bro. I met my real father, and my half brother and sister. 25 years...didn't even know I had siblings.

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