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I never said 16Gb was a waste, I'm saying 16Gb in a low-end Athlon II rig with integrated graphics for a "daily use" machine you buy at Wal-Mart could have been spent somewhere else.

Of course...having that much would give you the right to brag. "Neener neener, my RamDisk spanks your 10-SSD RAID array "
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Because it is too much cash, and who cares about how fast windows boots? It's not going to change your life if it takes 30 seconds rather than 10 seconds with an SSD.
It's not just booting and initially loading programs. Specifically in Gaming it's the difference between winning and losing many times.

If one zones into a PVP game and their computer loads an enemy's data and renders near instantly on your SSD, and they then engage before the enemy even gets control...obvious.

Also I use Zbrush, Unity3D, Cinema4D, and my Raid 0 SSD'd flatout speed help alot. I use to wait forever for some graphics projects to load.

Not all of us are just gaming. For me my time is everything. And once you personally use (not borrow) an SSD you cannot go back...without pulling your hair out...waiting...sigh

Also moving large files around. At 500MB p/s peak (my setup) it's real nice.
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Originally Posted by Nemesis158 View Post
HDD: starts out relatively fast and slows down over time, due to fragmentation. Even de-fragmenting the drive will never get it back to how it was when you started out.
Not true. HDDs slow down as they fill up - but if the used capacity stays the same, performance will return to full after a defrag. (with a competent defrag program)

I ran Win2k for 7 years - 2 years without an OS reinstall. It didn't slow down over time, even as the drive filled to the brim... I remember being disappointed after I finally reinstalled. I was expecting it to feel fresh, but it was just as fast as before.

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SSD: Starts out Lightning fast, and usually doesn't slow very much at all (at least the newer ones don't) Loving my Patriot Inferno
They slow down tons. The percentage is huge. (25-30% between brand-new and several years old?) But "tons" of "super hella fast" is still "very very fast", which still beats a "fast" HDD by a very wide margin.

And that margin is only increasing. Every time HDDs jump in capacity, SSDs are going to jump in performance.

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I have a P4 rig sitting here that I put a SSD into a few months ago (just to test it out) and I was blown away at how the ancient P4 system ran. Had I not known it was an old steaming pile of well you know, I would have never guessed I was using a system that was built in 2003.


Someone I know had an old ~400mhz P2. It was running off some PATA piece of crap. One day I stuck a SATA drive in there with an adapter... it was mind blowing. Everything was starting up three times as fast.

Never underestimate the importance of storage.
     
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For a while now the hdd has been the bottleneck for the whole system, as technology continues to increase that gap will continue to widen.
Saying otherwise is foolish.
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For a long time, I wasn't a believer in SSDs, but when June rolled around and I was reconsidering all of my build plans, I wanted to see what the hype was all about because I was originally all prepared to go with the latest VelociRaptor.

In the past, whenever I cloned my old hard drive to a new one on my old Athlon XP machine, I noticed a massive improvement in boot time, which was a combination of getting a newer, faster drive as well as starting over with a new, unfragmented drive. If all the professional and user reviews I read about SSDs were true, switching to an SSD would mean that programs would install much faster and programs, not just the OS, would load much faster than I had ever seen.

I'll say that when your work revolves around launching, using, and switching between multiple Adobe CS programs all day, an SSD makes all the difference in the world. Ever since building my new computer, I can't stand my work computer anymore. The Seagate 7200.11 in it has absolutely nothing on my Crucial m4.

It's one thing to say that SSDs are too expensive—they certainly can break some people's budgets, especially when you need lots of storage space—but to claim that they're a waste of money and not much faster than HDDs is disingenuous. Try doing some real work and serious multitasking on a daily basis first and stop assuming that your personal time vs. money judgments are universal.

An SSD isn't needed, nor is having 16GB RAM so you can devote a significant chunk towards using as a RAM drive for temp files, but it's practically the same argument. If you can afford it and put it to use, why not? The worst thing that people can do in forums like these is tell others what to buy or not buy based on their own preferences with no consideration for other people's usage scenarios.
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I would never RAID SSDs unless it was for some ultra rich corporation who had money to burn, but that's just me. With that said, there really isn't a point in RAID for SSD, they are blazing fast now, truly.

I'd rather have 2 X 180 GB for 360 GB than 1 super fast SSD (2 in RAID = 180 GB Total), that is if your Main Board can handle the super speed, but that's just me...

I don't need the extra speed, really I don't, besides, they make drives that do 555/524 R/W MB/S anyway, so RAID is becoming more and more a mute point every day...

Check out this super fast Corsair SSD

SSDs will soon be faster than 1 GB/s, watch..

The PCI SSDs are quite capable of 1500 MB/s R/W already, talk about super duper fast, omw..!
Edited by _GTech - 8/15/11 at 9:15am
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I think you misunderstand RAID here,
RAID 0 makes them fast and gives the combined storage of the disks in one 'drive' and gives a speed increase

RAID 1 copies everything between the drives for redundancy resulting in the same speed and 1/2 of the storage
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I have an SSD in my laptop and desktop.

The laptop one is nice. It adds to the durability, the power draw is a little less for my Intel model and it helps for the frequent boot/shutdown/sleep. Also my laptop (netbook actually) is fanless so the machine is truly silent now with zero moving parts.

The desktop I could be running off of a USB 2.0 flash drive and I wouldn't know the difference (I have done this before many times). I never reboot it and I never close my running apps so the SSD is a complete waste.
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Because it is too much cash, and who cares about how fast windows boots? It's not going to change your life if it takes 30 seconds rather than 10 seconds with an SSD.
Is ignorance bliss?
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He's just a bit loony.

How does a SSD use any resources?

For a gaming computer it will actually decrease game load times and will give 1-2 more fps (mine did)

Edit:unless he's talking about money then he is a little bit correct but there are some really cheap 30gb SSD's that is fine for a OS drive.
on edit remark: is that 30g ssd enough before, or after a series of windows updates?
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