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Well for the xover aka crossover, the right way to do it would be to get something like a dbx driverack.
Like so: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DriveRkPaPls/

If you're really on budget you could get a graphic EQ and just cut all the highs and mids.

Personally I recommend, if you can fit it into the budget, the PresonusStudio live 24 as the board as it is jam packed with many features like the acp88 compressor / gate on each channel. Also with this board has built in a graphic eq but is a 24 channel board.

Also I agree with darthspartan that carvin stuff is really great for the $$$. And with a low budget of 10k it's hard to get better.
The DBX driveracks are great i have a friend with several in this case if he gets that package the x88 driverack carvin supplies is more than enough for him i use some carvin analog x-over's with my system just because i don't need much in the way of features.

I don't really recommend dropping the frequencies with a EQ ya its the budget way to do it but in his case even with a low budget of 9k he should be able to get a real x-over.

The presonus board is the way to go if he can get it into budget. But he could always add that board later since there not that much then he would have the 32ch carvin as a backup or could sub mix and have the 32ch of analog and 24ch of digital.
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@ darths spartan thanks just making sure
@this noob agian i really love the presonus, in fact i was able to use it once at a store but there is no way that beast will fit in budget lol, and this will be the full time operation pa for the hall
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I like darthspartan's recommendation of this:
http://www.carvinguitars.com/product...N-218N&cid=105

Although i've never used the xover before or their mics, if it's just like all their other stuff it should be great.

The rest of the budget can go on accessories and you will have everything in budget.
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@ darths spartan thanks just making sure
@this noob agian i really love the presonus, in fact i was able to use it once at a store but there is no way that beast will fit in budget lol, and this will be the full time operation pa for the hall
If i were you plan an upgrade fund/budget and save up that's what ive been doing. I take 10% after expenses of my shows/events and dedicate that to upgrades/repairs of both the PA and my room. The presonus is a great step up when you get there. So far im about 3/4 of the way to my next board an allen heath ilive I plan on getting the idr-64 mixrack and the 176 console so i need about 40k and im almost there. The PA itself will last a long time so the board is the only thing that would ever need an upgrade but if all you need is an analog board than that 32ch will work fine for a long time.



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I like darthspartan's recommendation of this:
http://www.carvinguitars.com/product...N-218N&cid=105

Although i've never used the xover before or their mics, if it's just like all their other stuff it should be great.

The rest of the budget can go on accessories and you will have everything in budget.

I have used that x-over and there mics before the x-over is noise free and rock solid and the mics sound just as good as a sure with the right vocalist. The only downside with that system is its not tri amped its also a bit small for his room but would work just fine the other system would never need to be upgraded as its a more than enough for his room.
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In all reality the Speakon cables are kind of a gimmick.. you wont notice the difference, quite overpriced. In the many clubs I have played in the ones with JBL's always had the best overall sound to me, but most of the ones I actually looked up were something like 2000 a piece but I'm sure their mid grade stuff rocks as well
     
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....I have used that x-over and there mics before the x-over is noise free and rock solid and the mics sound just as good as a sure with the right vocalist. The only downside with that system is its not tri amped its also a bit small for his room but would work just fine the other system would never need to be upgraded as its a more than enough for his room.
Ehh... Nothing beats a Shure Beta 58 in all around price vs performance. I use a beta 57 personally... and yes the beta's are worth the price jump from the standard 58s and 57s
     
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Also If you're audio sources are unbalanced line outs, i would recommend getting a good DI/box, as it will make a significant difference in audio quality instead of going to line in.

This one is great.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/deta...FQ4J2godGAgH0A
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Ehh... Nothing beats a Shure Beta 58 in all around price vs performance. I use a beta 57 personally... and yes the beta's are worth the price jump from the standard 58s and 57s
Well there not gona beat the beta line but to the untrained ear the carvin mics sound just fine and for what he is using them for it would be the best fit cost wise.
Also spekon is not that expensive NL8 is but it does a specific job. For me especially when im flying a rig i want all my connectors to be locking and spekon is the best locking connector 1/4in have a risk of falling out and i would have to have 3 for tri amped rigs
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Well there not gona beat the beta line but to the untrained ear the carvin mics sound just fine and for what he is using them for it would be the best fit cost wise.
True, no doubt, but if this is for something like a conference the great highs that the beta's produce will make things much easier to hear in the back of the room... where the high frequencies tend to drop off

Also, 100x50x75 is by no means huge... and mean sure its all relative, but you want 13000 watts for something the size of a medium-large club? Overkill
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The room i work in is a smaller by a quite a bit the cumulative wattage of my mains is 20k but once you take into account the impedance of the system its more like 13k and you rarely use it all but before i added the folded 18s i was always just shy of what i needed and i was pushing the 18s way to much. The second system i listed there 4x 218 and 4x215 is about the right size it give plenty of overhead without pushing any of the gear to hard and would never need to be expanded in that room.
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