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Whats WP7?
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I have an HTC Arrive and I love it. I have all the apps I need. Not like most of the Android apps that are for stupid noises and really retarded games, there app list is just fluffed up. Yeah the OS could use some customization like backgrounds and different tile designs but for what it is its great. I can't believe no one has made special stuff for it like they have for Android. They just need to get more phones on the market and people will buy them.
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Originally Posted by wcdolphin;14592075 
Elaborate? I have worked with Silverlight and WP7 and the developer experience is far better than Android, though I am biased as I did just finish my summer working for Windows in Developer Experience.

UI wise, android is a cheap man's iPhone, that is all. It adds a few nice things such as showing you the information you want on your homescreen, but this is all there in WP7.

For reference, I am platform agnostic, I have an iPod Touch, a Samsung Captivate and a few Windows Phones.

Personally, I am not very worried about Windows Phone, though there are reasons :-)

It is funny that on campus in Redmond everyone has a Windows Phone and everyone loves it. There are a few iPhones and Androids floating around, but it is distinctly windows slanted and everyone actually loves their phones. And no, not everyone who works at Microsoft is a Microsoft "fanboi"-- I am a linux fanatic.

Must have been great getting some time at Redmond?

From a developer perspective, one of the big pluses is that silverlight/wp7 development is in Visual Studio, a far better ide than Eclipse imho, and I'm not a fan of objective c either.

That being said, I don't believe that is a very mature framework, things are getting better but it has been a very rocky road. I've often run into a namespace that's in wpf, but for some reason left out of silverlight. Small things like the wp7 browser not supporting silverlight - my guess is it was just a port from mshtml.dll.

xaml was a good idea, but badly implimented. Not really applicable for a phone, but a complex form with a ton of controls and performance goes down the drain. Blend, good idea, but carries a lot of the evils from the old wysiwyg html editors. You end up with pages and pages of xaml for a layout that should be simple and clean.

Silverlight is already slow, now they've tacked on XNA on top of it. That much managed code on a mobile device just doesn't make sense to me.

I tried out quake3 on a dual core android recently, really fast and responsive, I just don't see silverlight being able to match it.
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Let's flash back to 2002:

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Originally Posted by snowman88 View Post
Everyone these days has a Nintendo or a Playstation. Microsoft was dumb trying to enter a saturated market while bringing nothing new to the table.
We know how that worked out. Microsoft basically has the muscle to enter any market they want. They can afford to throw billions of dollars at a wall until it sticks. If they really want to get into cell phones (and who wouldn't?), they can if they are persistent enough.

I'd also argue that Microsoft has brought enough new to the table with WP7. The user interface is a great relief for casual users who find the iOS UI boring and over-simplified. Also, imagine all of the possibilities that Microsoft can implement to make the phone play nice with all of your Windows-based computers and Microsoft software. There is a ton of potential for Microsoft to offer things that Android and Apple can't because of their strong base of Windows computers (on the consumer and business level).
Edited by Bluecow003 - 8/15/11 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Bluecow003;14593537 
Let's flash back to 2002:

We know how that worked out. Microsoft basically has the muscle to enter any market they want. They can afford to throw billions of dollars at a wall until it sticks. If they really want to get into cell phones (and who wouldn't?), they can if they are persistent enough.

Fair enough.

So basically wp7 is in the Vista or WinME phase, I'll look at wp7 when/if it reaches the Win7 stage.
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Fair enough.

So basically wp7 is in the Vista or WinME phase, I'll look at wp7 when/if it reaches the Win7 stage.
Yeah, sort of. It's worlds better than their previous mobile OS, but there is definite room for improvement. I'd say the foundation is good though for WP7 and I'm interestd to see where they take it. My wife has a WP7 (HTC brand) and loves it.
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Originally Posted by wcdolphin View Post
It is funny that on campus in Redmond everyone has a Windows Phone and everyone loves it. There are a few iPhones and Androids floating around, but it is distinctly windows slanted and everyone actually loves their phones. And no, not everyone who works at Microsoft is a Microsoft "fanboi"-- I am a linux fanatic.
Actually, it's NOT funny at all: http://www.tech-ex.net/2010/03/i-any...-fruit-at.html
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Windows Phone 7 is awesome, it just lacks the customization and free apps that I can get with an Android device.
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Lot of people going to be eating their hats once Nokia, Asus, and Acer WP7 phones start rolling out, and Android is so malware infested that you'll need so many antivirus programs that your battery only lasts 4 hours.

PS: I love Android, (I have a Desire S) but WP7 is simply better. Screw sales - they are meaningless at this stage of the race.
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I like Android better than iOS, and WP7 the least. Just saying...
Same here.

I, for one, welcome our new Android overlords.
    
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