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Originally Posted by SalisburySteak View Post
They really need to work on marketing for these phones
Come to think of it, I've never even seen a commercial for it on tv.

I love my WP7 (Samsung Focus). I did have some buyers remorse for the first few months, but then a nice update came. The problems of my phone randomly reseting and the touch keypad seeming "buggy" all went away. There are still a few things I would like to see improved though. Such as improved FPS in the XBox Live games (Hydro Thunder runs terrible!), more push notification tiles/mobile ones (such as your xbox live avator waving at you for example, I think its cool). Your never going to get everything you want in a phone. But considering this thing can call, text, take pictures and browse the web nicely, I'm happy! I don't care to much about the games, mainly because if I'm gonna game on the go, I got my PSP on me most likely. The only time I play it for more than 15 mins is on the T while going to a Bruins game.
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Brings this to mind ...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/OYecfV3ubP8
Edited by Jackeduphard - 8/15/11 at 3:01pm
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Android is actually just a cheap replacement iPhone for people who couldn't get one on Verizon at the time. There are really only 2 different phones on the market. Grid layout and tile layout. You have Blackberry but it doesn't count because it will be gone in 5 years.

Just remember when Microsoft backs something, they really back it. I remember saying Microsoft would fail entering in a market with Nintendo and Sony. Look where they are now. I believe the console market is harder to get in then the phone market honestly.

Anyway I really like my HTC trophy. My sister is getting ready to get one and I convinced my mom and stepdad to get one after there HTC failBolt. Everyone has an iPhone and a failDroid. Get a breath of fresh air.
    
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Originally Posted by Captain Bucket View Post
Lot of people going to be eating their hats once Nokia, Asus, and Acer WP7 phones start rolling out, and Android is so malware infested that you'll need so many antivirus programs that your battery only lasts 4 hours.

PS: I love Android, (I have a Desire S) but WP7 is simply better. Screw sales - they are meaningless at this stage of the race.
I'm very interested now. I hope they release ones on par with what HTC releases.
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i love WP7's interface, but ive never actually used it in person. i dont know ANYONE that has a WP7 phone.
i like my zune hd tho. so i guess WP7 is simmilar?

either way, microsoft just needs to market WP7 more! they also need moar apps, more phones in the sub 100 dollar area (sprint has only ONE WP7 phone and its still 200 dollars which is pointless when i could buy a EVO 3D :/), and PROPER ADVERTISING.
i like WP7 but its not popular enough to compete with Android, iOS, and RIM.
    
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Originally Posted by mott555 View Post
I love my WP7. It's much faster than any Android phone I've seen and it's easy to use. I don't know anyone else who owns one though, most of my friends seem "scared" of WP7 for some reason. Probably because it doesn't have an Apple logo on it.
I look at comments like this with a wary eye. There needs to be more specific evidence. WP7 apps and Android apps tend to be developed with different UI perspectives. Imo, WP7 apps tend to have a more simplistic design and implementation, given the limitations of Silverlight. I see a lot of swiping across multiple screens. I also find the idea of having to match the Metro UI a bit disappointing in terms of design flexibility.

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I'm a big WP7 fan. From a phone standpoint, I think it is best of the main choices right now (WP7, iOS, Android, RIM). I like my iPhone and I like Android devices but to me, my wife's WP7 (LG Quantum) feels like the interface I would want on my phone and not a device that also has phone capabilities.

I'm often curious how well it could have been doing if 95% of the articles about it weren't "ZOMG, WP7 is no good, it can't do this or that" rather than praising the good things about it.
I don't understand how it is the best. Sure, you have a live-updating interface, and then a list of apps. I don't see how it makes it any better than the other OS offerings. I don't think that push notifications are quite up there in iOS. The notifications area of Android could use some sprucing up, but it does its job by hiding enough, such that it isn't distracting when it doesn't need to be.

If you just want a simplified phone, without all the accessories of applications, then just don't get a smartphone.

There's a difference between praising an OS for what it handles well, and weighing what it lacks, which may be more enticing to consumers then what it currently has to offer. It's basically a moot point. You can't really simply give credit to the benefits and ignore the absence of other desired features.

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Lot of people going to be eating their hats once Nokia, Asus, and Acer WP7 phones start rolling out, and Android is so malware infested that you'll need so many antivirus programs that your battery only lasts 4 hours.

PS: I love Android, (I have a Desire S) but WP7 is simply better. Screw sales - they are meaningless at this stage of the race.
I hardly think so. I think both iOS and Android have mostly secured their market segments, and the fact that WP7 still hasn't developed enough of a standing at this point suggests that it'll just be a third-wheel.

Sales are meaningless at this stage? WP7 has been around long enough that if it had really carried that much innovation into the market, and had the hardware to support it, then it would be flourishing by now. That clearly isn't the case. I don't intend to cause argument, but I will cite what I have stated before in another thread. Microsoft is currently making more money off of a royalty settlement with HTC than it is on licenses for its own OS, in the realm of 5x as much.

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Android is actually just a cheap replacement iPhone for people who couldn't get one on Verizon at the time. There are really only 2 different phones on the market. Grid layout and tile layout. You have Blackberry but it doesn't count because it will be gone in 5 years.

Just remember when Microsoft backs something, they really back it. I remember saying Microsoft would fail entering in a market with Nintendo and Sony. Look where they are now. I believe the console market is harder to get in then the phone market honestly.

Anyway I really like my HTC trophy. My sister is getting ready to get one and I convinced my mom and stepdad to get one after there HTC failBolt. Everyone has an iPhone and a failDroid. Get a breath of fresh air.
That is pretty offensive. That suggests that you're giving iOS a pretty hefty value. Android has surpassed iOS in sales, so I beg to differ. I don't see that there is a battle of layouts. You could equally say that WP7 has a grid of tiles.


People seem to argue that Microsoft is setting a new standard to rival that of Apple in terms of hardware integration and control of the specs. They will also bash Android for flooding the market with a number of devices that serve to destroy any idea of compatibility across all hardware. However, it really seems like this is hurting the market, as there aren't that many phones running WP7 currently out right now, and are usually more costly than similar hardware running another OS just as fluidly. I think this has served to restrict sales, rather than promote them.
Edited by Ikrin - 8/15/11 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by dham View Post
[...]
Just remember when Microsoft backs something, they really back it. I remember saying Microsoft would fail entering in a market with Nintendo and Sony. Look where they are now. I believe the console market is harder to get in then the phone market honestly.
[...]
They have backed away before, but for products that already launched on market, I don't think they ever have completely backed down... (WinMo + Kin eventually because WP7, I guess).
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i love WP7's interface, but ive never actually used it in person. i dont know ANYONE that has a WP7 phone.
i like my zune hd tho. so i guess WP7 is simmilar?

either way, microsoft just needs to market WP7 more! they also need moar apps, more phones in the sub 100 dollar area (sprint has only ONE WP7 phone and its still 200 dollars which is pointless when i could buy a EVO 3D :/), and PROPER ADVERTISING.
i like WP7 but its not popular enough to compete with Android, iOS, and RIM.
Yes, the interfaces are similar, to a degree. WP7 does add a LOT more via the tiles, IMO. Sort of like the best android widgets in existance, with a decently well organized framework behind it (in terms of actual programs, not the development framework ).
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[...]
That is pretty offensive. That suggests that you're giving iOS a pretty hefty value. Android has surpassed iOS in sales, so I beg to differ. I don't see that there is a battle of layouts. You could equally say that WP7 has a grid of tiles.


People seem to argue that Microsoft is setting a new standard to rival that of Apple in terms of hardware integration and control of the specs. They will also bash Android for flooding the market with a number of devices that serve to destroy any idea of compatibility across all hardware. However, it really seems like this is hurting the market, as there aren't that many phones running WP7 currently out right now, and are usually more costly than similar hardware running another OS just as fluidly. I think this has served to restrict sales, rather than promote them.
Android managed to surpass iOS overall, however, that's because Android has... how many types of phones on the market, now? The number of current dual core android phones currently on the market, excedes the total number of iPhone variants to ever exist to this day. So I think that might have some amount to do with it, just the sheer variety. Among individual phone HW manufs, Apple (turns out, Sammy didn't surpass them in actual sales to consumers) still barely holds the roost with only one phone model, and one OS version on that current phone model.

Though on WP7 HW not being up to the market task, I agree. WP7 seems to get the bottom shaft right now, though. Apple has it's own massive R&D, along with every Android handset maker. I get the feeling Sammy & HTC only made WP7 phones because:

-they had old designs to dust off
-they were doing a favor to MS, after all HTC got half it's roots in WinMo phone designs.
-they had their interns do the designs (seriously.... I think this may be true).


And while dual core doesn't mean much right now, it did steer me away from WP7 recently, as it seems every jack, jill, and mommy android lineup has at least one nowadays (not to mention HDMI out, rather useful).
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I am actually very tempted to go over to WP7 from my HTC Incredible. Android is fantastic and has all the customizations and stuff. Really though, I am currently using the WP7 launcher (I only used one screen with other launchers), and the only non-google/phone apps I use are aknotepad, whatsapp, facebook, and engadget. I have never used widgets other than a clock, news/weather, and music and I am not missing widgets at all using the WP7 launcher.

Windows Phones will go the way of the Zune platform because of their absolutely piss-poor marketing. The Zune (IMHO) had a far superior music/video experience than Ipods ever had, but I only had one other friend who had one. There was hardly any marketing for Zunes and there is almost zero marketing/carrier incentives for Windows Phone.

Choosing a phone right now, I would be very tempted by Windows Phone because I don't want stupid blue jean/space ship themes, a half-million apps to wade through, or all this other stuff that is paraded as must have items for android/iOS. Maybe i'm a minimalist to the core, but I don't do a ton of stuff with my phone and the Windows Phone platform would fit the bill perfectly.
    
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I was discussing with an online buddy of mine, I really do like the WP7 interface, it's very smooth and attractive but:

1. I can get it on my Android with Launcher 7 for free.
2. The 2 column limitation becomes a headache when you heavily use a lot of widgets and apps.
3. I still don't like the WP7 app library. Windows Mobile has always been weak in that department, and it looks like it always will be.
Cool, might have to try that out on my EVO.

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Originally Posted by bucdan View Post
IMo they just need better phones and more variety through all services, and a better app store.

HTC is making the HTC Eternity, which is a crazy big phone.
Just Googled it...... 4.7" screen! wow....
    
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Seeing how Apple takes down the competition one by one with lawsuits, I have my money on Nokia and WP 8 to take some market share back. The Nokia -Apple agreements on Apple patent violations give Nokia freedom to do as they please. You won't see a lawsuit against Nokia for some Apple design that might be associated with a Nokia phone. Add to all that Nokia's sovereignty on the Microsoft front and you get another level of customization not yet seen on a Microsoft based phone.

While I do agree that iOS and Android have a significant share of the market, let's not forget that this industry is very volatile.
 
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