Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Technology and Science News › [TeK] Apple can block competitors for 25 years
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[TeK] Apple can block competitors for 25 years - Page 11

post #101 of 191
I am so tired of Apple.
I don't even eat it any more.
Apollo
(16 items)
 
Project Greyscale
(24 items)
 
Zeus
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-5930K Asus Sabertooth X99 ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ROG STRIX  Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB Samsung 850 EVO 1TB Samsung SH-224BB CM Hyper 212 EVO 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 x64 Pro Asus PB278Q (1440p) Gigabyte Aivia Osmium (Cherry Red) Corsair AX850 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Cooler Master HAF X Gigabyte Aivia Krypton Razer Goliathus Extended Speed Edition Realtek ALC1150 8-Channel + Logitech z906 + Sam... 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7-4790K EVGA Z97 Classified EVGA GTX 780Ti EVGA GTX 780Ti 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Dominator Platinum Spinpoint F3 Spinpoint F3 510 Series 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
510 Series 320 Series XSPC AX120 XSPC AX360 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
XSPC AX240 EK Supremacy EK FC780 GTX Ti WIndows 8.1 
OSMonitorPowerCase
OS X 10.9.3 Yamaski Catleap 120Hz HCP-1200 Air 540 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Deathadder Table Avid Fast Track Duo HiFIMan HE-400 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8120 @4.5GHz GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD7 GIGABYTE Radeon RX 460 G.SKILL Sniper 1600MHz 2x4GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial 64GB m4 1TB WD Black Samsung SH-224BB CM Hyper 212+ 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 x64 Pro Asus PB278Q (1440p) Gigabyte Aivia Osmium Corsair AX850 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
CM 690II Gigabyte Aivia Krypton Razer Goliathus Extended Speed Edition Realtek ALC889 + Logitech z906 + Samson SR850 
  hide details  
Reply
Apollo
(16 items)
 
Project Greyscale
(24 items)
 
Zeus
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-5930K Asus Sabertooth X99 ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ROG STRIX  Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 3000 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB Samsung 850 EVO 1TB Samsung SH-224BB CM Hyper 212 EVO 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 x64 Pro Asus PB278Q (1440p) Gigabyte Aivia Osmium (Cherry Red) Corsair AX850 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Cooler Master HAF X Gigabyte Aivia Krypton Razer Goliathus Extended Speed Edition Realtek ALC1150 8-Channel + Logitech z906 + Sam... 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7-4790K EVGA Z97 Classified EVGA GTX 780Ti EVGA GTX 780Ti 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Dominator Platinum Spinpoint F3 Spinpoint F3 510 Series 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
510 Series 320 Series XSPC AX120 XSPC AX360 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
XSPC AX240 EK Supremacy EK FC780 GTX Ti WIndows 8.1 
OSMonitorPowerCase
OS X 10.9.3 Yamaski Catleap 120Hz HCP-1200 Air 540 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Deathadder Table Avid Fast Track Duo HiFIMan HE-400 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8120 @4.5GHz GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD7 GIGABYTE Radeon RX 460 G.SKILL Sniper 1600MHz 2x4GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial 64GB m4 1TB WD Black Samsung SH-224BB CM Hyper 212+ 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 x64 Pro Asus PB278Q (1440p) Gigabyte Aivia Osmium Corsair AX850 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
CM 690II Gigabyte Aivia Krypton Razer Goliathus Extended Speed Edition Realtek ALC889 + Logitech z906 + Samson SR850 
  hide details  
Reply
post #102 of 191
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectroManiac View Post
1st. People stupidity is not Samsung fault because they are diferent enough to not get confused.

This is like saying Ford should sue all car companies because people could buy a Toyota thinking it is a Ford. Or like saying Phillips should sue Sony because people could buy a Sony flat screen thinking is a Phillips just because both are rectangular with a screen.

2nd. If people get confused is apples marketing team fault for not promoting and identifying properly their product on the market.

3rd I'm still waiting you to tell me what makes them soo increadible similar apart from been rectangular shape with a touchscreen.
Samsung is making money on the product because of it's similarity to Apple offering. Car's are not things people buy on a whim like a tablet can be, usually because cars cost quite a bit more than an iPad of Galaxy Tab.

People getting confused is not Apple fault, rather Samsung for making a product that looks so similar from the front, which is the way they are displayed.

A black ~inch thick bezel on a capacitive touch screen tablet PC marketed as a tablet PC with similar looking functions in a market that has a very widely displayed product image.

Like I said, just because you aren't confused by the looks doesn't mean that average people aren't. Also Apple shouldn't be blamed for confusion because of Samsung's product, theirs came first, not the other way around in this case.
Indubitably Green
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k L045B391 @4489.9 mhz Gigabyte P67A-UD4 2x EVGA SC GTX580 8GB G.Skill 1866 (2x4GB) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
OCZ Vertex 3 120GB + Spinpoint F3 1TB Windows 7 Pro VX2260vm Deck Legend ToXic 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair AX1200 BitFenix Colossus Window Naga Epic 
  hide details  
Reply
Indubitably Green
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k L045B391 @4489.9 mhz Gigabyte P67A-UD4 2x EVGA SC GTX580 8GB G.Skill 1866 (2x4GB) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
OCZ Vertex 3 120GB + Spinpoint F3 1TB Windows 7 Pro VX2260vm Deck Legend ToXic 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair AX1200 BitFenix Colossus Window Naga Epic 
  hide details  
Reply
post #103 of 191
Quote:
Originally Posted by Najentus View Post
A black ~inch thick bezel on a capacitive touch screen tablet PC marketed as a tablet PC with similar looking functions in a market that has a very widely displayed product image.
In short words, a rectangle shaped touchscreen, because both have a diferent dark tone on the bezel.

You can spin it as much as you want, but that doesn't validated apples action and the ridiculous patent.
What I have now
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 930 4Ghz Asus P6X58D-E MSI GTX 1070 Gaming Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
120 GB Samsung 840 Evo SSD 500 GB WD Blue 2 TB WD Green Venemous X P/P 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro Dell U2312HM Cooler Master Storm Quickfire TK Cherry MX Red Silverstone ST75F-P 
CaseMouseMouse PadOther
CM 690 ii Advance Roccat Kone Pure Optical Razer Destructor 2 Sennheiser HD25-1 II 
  hide details  
Reply
What I have now
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 930 4Ghz Asus P6X58D-E MSI GTX 1070 Gaming Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 16GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
120 GB Samsung 840 Evo SSD 500 GB WD Blue 2 TB WD Green Venemous X P/P 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro Dell U2312HM Cooler Master Storm Quickfire TK Cherry MX Red Silverstone ST75F-P 
CaseMouseMouse PadOther
CM 690 ii Advance Roccat Kone Pure Optical Razer Destructor 2 Sennheiser HD25-1 II 
  hide details  
Reply
post #104 of 191
Quote:
Originally Posted by Foolsmasher View Post
Apple took a pretty big risk by bringing a Tablet computer to the market that nobody was really demanding, and that many cynics predicted would be a failure. If I'm Apple, once my tablet becomes successful after my rather large risk, I get to sit back and watch every Joe Schmoe electronics manufacturer release the same product as me. And thanks to my success in the tablet market, there's now a demand for their product as well.

Well you know what, I'd be pretty unhappy about that and if there was a way for me to keep that from happening, such as the patents I applied for, you can bet your bottom dollar that I'm going to do all I can to keep my competitors below me on the food chain. All the players have to abide by the same rules in the patent game, and if you're violating one of my patents then that's just too bad for you.
This ten times.

It seems like many people here are saying "yeah we know it's the patent system's fault but still Apple should not take advantage from it!"

If you are one of these people, read:

You can blindly hate or you can sit back, watch the situation from afar, and think. Did you know any tablets doing web browsing/games/eBook reader/whatever before the iPad. No. And if you did, was it something mainstream advertised in the streets or on TV? No.
That's where it gets interesting.
Apple created a market (made it much larger, whatever). Samsung and others probably thought of the tablet concept but simply brushed it off thinking it was too risky and not worth it. Apple took the risk. Apple being Apple, the iPad was marketed down our throat and well it's a great success.

What are Samsung and others doing? Basically taking Apple's idea and making their own version of the iPad. Sure their products are good and it's good for us customers, competition = better prices/products.

Still, just put yourself in Apple's shoes. You took a risk, invested in marketing/ R&D, tried to develop a concept that would please a large enough number of customers to make it worth it and what are others doing? basically copying you as soon as they see what you're doing works. You made a cake by yourself, and now you have a whole bunch of greedy kids wanting a piece of it without helping you making it.
What do you do? you try to stop them with every weapon at your disposal. Luckily, you happen to have a patent very generously protecting your idea: you use it.

See, Apple's side is not as dark as it looked like once you think about it objectively.

To clear things up: I am not okay at all with the verdict, as a customer I'm all for competition. Still I can't just blame Apple like you are all doing. Apple is defending itself, that's all. Sure they're using dirty tricks, but why in hell would they compete on an equal foot with the people who are taking advantage of the opportunity they alone created.
Edited by MacA - 8/15/11 at 9:29pm
post #105 of 191
Quote:
Originally Posted by Najentus View Post
People getting confused is not Apple fault, rather Samsung for making a product that looks so similar from the front, which is the way they are displayed.
Sir, if you look at Apple's products the iPad or the iPod. In the upper left of each respective products screen it says "iPad" or "iPod".

If a customer cannot tell the difference by reading the front of said product or reading the name of the product generally found directly on the price tag of said product, that's their own fault.

You really can't mistake them for each other unless, well you try to.

Besides, how likely if you go directly to the Apple Store would it be to mistake their iPads laying about for a Samsung Galaxy Tab? Very unlikely. Granted thats only one store to purchase it from but if you have minimal reading skills it shouldn't be an issue.

Just my 2 cents.
All Might
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen R7 1800X X370 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7A32) Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate Barracuda STBD3000100 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB... Seagate Barracuda STBD3000100 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB... ASUS Black Blu-ray Drive SATA Model BC-12B1ST/B...  CORSAIR Hydro Series H60 (CW-9060007-WW) High ... 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Asus 27" MX279 Acer 24"  Acer 24"  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
NMB Vintage Keyboard  EVGA 110-B2-0850-V1 80 PLUS Bronze 850 W Semi-... Cooler Master HAF 932 Full-Tower Case Razer DeathAdder 2013 
Mouse Pad
Haruko Haruhara Mousepad 
  hide details  
Reply
All Might
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Ryzen R7 1800X X370 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7A32) Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate Barracuda STBD3000100 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB... Seagate Barracuda STBD3000100 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB... ASUS Black Blu-ray Drive SATA Model BC-12B1ST/B...  CORSAIR Hydro Series H60 (CW-9060007-WW) High ... 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Asus 27" MX279 Acer 24"  Acer 24"  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
NMB Vintage Keyboard  EVGA 110-B2-0850-V1 80 PLUS Bronze 850 W Semi-... Cooler Master HAF 932 Full-Tower Case Razer DeathAdder 2013 
Mouse Pad
Haruko Haruhara Mousepad 
  hide details  
Reply
post #106 of 191
I don't get how Apple isn't getting Anti-Trust lawsuits while if Microsoft did this every lawsuit will be at the door in Redmond. I don't get you society!
post #107 of 191
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectroManiac View Post
In short words, a rectangle shaped touchscreen, because both have a diferent dark tone on the bezel.

You can spin it as much as you want, but that doesn't validated apples action and the ridiculous patent.
You can spin anything as much as you want, just because you don't see the similarities doesn't mean that people aren't confusing them.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Karasu View Post
Sir, if you look at Apple's products the iPad or the iPod. In the upper left of each respective products screen it says "iPad" or "iPod".

If a customer cannot tell the difference by reading the front of said product or reading the name of the product generally found directly on the price tag of said product, that's their own fault.

You really can't mistake them for each other unless, well you try to.

Besides, how likely if you go directly to the Apple Store would it be to mistake their iPads laying about for a Samsung Galaxy Tab? Very unlikely. Granted thats only one store to purchase it from but if you have minimal reading skills it shouldn't be an issue.

Just my 2 cents.
If I'm reading this correctly you're confusing what I said. I'm not saying people are picking up iPads thinking they are Galaxy tabs, rather the other way around. Someone can not know it says iPad or iPod in the corner of their respective screens and walk into Best Buy pick up a Galaxy tab and say "this is what I saw on TV in that cool commercial," and boom, lost revenue for Apple.

It doesn't matter if it's the buyer's fault or not, saturating a market with incredibly similar items is still taking money from the original IP, regardless of it being a mistake, making the products look different is a great way to help dispel this confusion.
Indubitably Green
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k L045B391 @4489.9 mhz Gigabyte P67A-UD4 2x EVGA SC GTX580 8GB G.Skill 1866 (2x4GB) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
OCZ Vertex 3 120GB + Spinpoint F3 1TB Windows 7 Pro VX2260vm Deck Legend ToXic 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair AX1200 BitFenix Colossus Window Naga Epic 
  hide details  
Reply
Indubitably Green
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600k L045B391 @4489.9 mhz Gigabyte P67A-UD4 2x EVGA SC GTX580 8GB G.Skill 1866 (2x4GB) 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
OCZ Vertex 3 120GB + Spinpoint F3 1TB Windows 7 Pro VX2260vm Deck Legend ToXic 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair AX1200 BitFenix Colossus Window Naga Epic 
  hide details  
Reply
post #108 of 191
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolf_08 View Post
I don't get how Apple isn't getting Anti-Trust lawsuits while if Microsoft did this every lawsuit will be at the door in Redmond. I don't get you society!
perhaps its because Apple doesn't have quite the monopoly that everyone would like to think they have.

Limitation breeds creativity, maybe this can push tablets to the next level by forcing everyone to not make ipad clones
Big Black v2.0
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
5820k Asus X99 Sabertooth Asus 980Ti Strix 32gb Corsair LPX 2800MHz DDR4 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
PNY 480GB SSD  Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280 custom loop Windows 10 Pro Samsung JU6500 4k 
MonitorPowerCase
Dell U3011 Corsair HX-1000 Corsair 780T 
  hide details  
Reply
Big Black v2.0
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
5820k Asus X99 Sabertooth Asus 980Ti Strix 32gb Corsair LPX 2800MHz DDR4 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
PNY 480GB SSD  Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280 custom loop Windows 10 Pro Samsung JU6500 4k 
MonitorPowerCase
Dell U3011 Corsair HX-1000 Corsair 780T 
  hide details  
Reply
post #109 of 191
Well if you want you Microsoft should sue Apple for trying to get a tablet. Microsoft XP Tablet comes to mind but that is a fully OS unlike the ipad which is really a iphone just a larger screen.

Limitation doesn't breed creativity if by you definition nobody should try to get a market well that be like Apple shouldn't try to get into the Desktop Market as Unix, Microsoft, and Linux got that covered.

Anti-Trust Lawsuit happen to Microsoft and should happen to Apple but nobody sees that if isn't Microsoft it is alright for a Monopoly in the MP3 Player section, slate section which just really if isn't a full fledge OS why would you need it?

Competition is good but Apple seems to just well too obnoxious with this competition from other companies try to compete.
Edited by wolf_08 - 8/15/11 at 10:03pm
post #110 of 191
sigh.... I really despise Apple. Just think of how long it took them to OK the release of an iphone on a non-GSM network... and now this? I just don't get how people can pay $3200 for a MacBook Pro when you can buy a decent laptop that will run circles around it performance-wise. This whole deal just proves what a bunch of tools they really are.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 D0 ASUS Rampage II Extreme Sapphire HD5970 12GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
OCZ Revo X2 100GB DVD-RW Windows 7 x64 ASUS VW266H 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech MK700 PCP&C 750W Silencer Lian-Li PC75 G500 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 D0 ASUS Rampage II Extreme Sapphire HD5970 12GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
OCZ Revo X2 100GB DVD-RW Windows 7 x64 ASUS VW266H 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech MK700 PCP&C 750W Silencer Lian-Li PC75 G500 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Technology and Science News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Technology and Science News › [TeK] Apple can block competitors for 25 years