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Originally Posted by SuperDave1685 View Post
sigh.... I really despise Apple. Just think of how long it took them to OK the release of an iphone on a non-GSM network... and now this? I just don't get how people can pay $3200 for a MacBook Pro when you can buy a decent laptop that will run circles around it performance-wise. This whole deal just proves what a bunch of tools they really are.
don't act like every macbook is $3200. Some people dont want to carry huge gaming laptops everywhere they go. And I know there are thin sleek pc alternatives, but thats a whole other argument for another day
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I wonder if, in court, they can argue that they are giving away the frame for free.
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Nothing new, Intel man-handled AMD using under the table tactics for years, no one complained about that. What's all the fuss about Apple?
 
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post #114 of 191
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You can spin anything as much as you want, just because you don't see the similarities doesn't mean that people aren't confusing them.




If I'm reading this correctly you're confusing what I said. I'm not saying people are picking up iPads thinking they are Galaxy tabs, rather the other way around. Someone can not know it says iPad or iPod in the corner of their respective screens and walk into Best Buy pick up a Galaxy tab and say "this is what I saw on TV in that cool commercial," and boom, lost revenue for Apple.

It doesn't matter if it's the buyer's fault or not, saturating a market with incredibly similar items is still taking money from the original IP, regardless of it being a mistake, making the products look different is a great way to help dispel this confusion.
As much as I see you say that people confuse the look of the Galaxy Tab and the iPad, I still don't understand how someone could walk into a store and see the GT and say "OMG THE iPAD2! I MUST HAVE!". Then walk up to the counter with a box that says, "Samsung Galaxy Tab" and complete the purchase with no questions.

Maybe Samsung should of sold the GT in red by default. THEN people would stop confusing them?
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You can spin anything as much as you want, just because you don't see the similarities doesn't mean that people aren't confusing them.
Yeah like people when they go to buy a Samsung tv they get so confused because they all look so similar, been rectangle with a panel and a black bezel, they always buy Sony or Panasonic

They can't clearly see the brand stamp on the front of the TV, on the box, on the manual, on the control, or on the huge adds all over the store.

Maybe apple should invest on an bigger apple stamp, or put a biger board over their product saying APPLE IPADS HERE, so people dont get confuse, and maybe samsung should put a huge board over their tablest that say THIS ARE NOT APPLE IPAD DON'T GET CONFUSED.

As comon sence dont work with you maybe nonsence will. No point on arguaing with you anymore.

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Originally Posted by rocklobsta1109 View Post
perhaps its because Apple doesn't have quite the monopoly that everyone would like to think they have.

Limitation breeds creativity, maybe this can push tablets to the next level by forcing everyone to not make ipad clones
Yeah from now on, instead of trying to compete with better software, hardware and aplications, they should make triangles shaped form tablets as Apple are the only one who can make a rectangular ones because they didn't clone devices like this







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Yeah from now on, instead of trying to compete with better software, hardware and aplications, they should make triangles shaped form tablets as Apple are the only one who can make a rectangular ones because they didn't clone devices like this



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBEtPQDQNcI



Apple made the tablet what it is today, sure there were tablet shaped devices before hand, but I'm talking more about what people have come to expect from a tablet. If apple hadn't reinvented the image of the tablet do you honestly think the market would be where it is today. Look at the tabs that followed the ipad, nearly all of their features were very closely related to everything the ipad offered. Yes, they have changed and diverged over time but for the most part modern tablets owe their existence to apple.

I use the term clone in a function and feature aspect more than just a physical representation. I realize that tablets can only be so many shapes and that apple is pushing it with their vague patents on shape, but I think principle of protecting their intelectual assets no matter how crazy you think they may be, are still valid
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Nothing new, Intel man-handled AMD using under the table tactics for years, no one complained about that. What's all the fuss about Apple?
No one complained, this month when you signed up. Intel's anti-trust issues were huge on this forum, huge in the EU and nearly as big in the US before Intel settled with AMD.

Take it from someone who was a regular in those discussions, they went on for YEARS.
    
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Apple made the tablet what it is today, sure there were tablet shaped devices before hand, but I'm talking more about what people have come to expect from a tablet. If apple hadn't reinvented the image of the tablet do you honestly think the market would be where it is today. Look at the tabs that followed the ipad, nearly all of their features were very closely related to everything the ipad offered. Yes, they have changed and diverged over time but for the most part modern tablets owe their existence to apple.

I use the term clone in a function and feature aspect more than just a physical representation. I realize that tablets can only be so many shapes and that apple is pushing it with their vague patents on shape, but I think principle of protecting their intelectual assets no matter how crazy you think they may be, are still valid
Apple only brought its common O/S to the tablet and legions of Apple-fanboys bought something they had no need for, just like the legion of fanboys who camp outside for a newer version of their same phone with 1 or 2 minor upgrades. Apple has a cult following at this point, there's no point in denying it.

So if you're saying that Apple popularized it, sure they did. Anyone who has owned any apple product of the last 5 years could pick up the thing and be a pro at it since the O/S is identical. It brings ease-of-use.

But they didn't innovate or invent anything.
    
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Nothing new, Intel man-handled AMD using under the table tactics for years, no one complained about that. What's all the fuss about Apple?
Intel didn't try and sue AMD based on the fact that AMD's processors were small, rectangular and had pins on one side and the die on the other.

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Apple made the tablet what it is today, sure there were tablet shaped devices before hand, but I'm talking more about what people have come to expect from a tablet. If apple hadn't reinvented the image of the tablet do you honestly think the market would be where it is today. Look at the tabs that followed the ipad, nearly all of their features were very closely related to everything the ipad offered. Yes, they have changed and diverged over time but for the most part modern tablets owe their existence to apple.

I use the term clone in a function and feature aspect more than just a physical representation. I realize that tablets can only be so many shapes and that apple is pushing it with their vague patents on shape, but I think principle of protecting their intelectual assets no matter how crazy you think they may be, are still valid
It doesn't matter who boosted sales or made tablets popular - what matters is who came up with the concept of a tablet computer. That quite clearly wasn't Apple, as the pics above show they were around for 15 years before Apple came along.

Now if Samsung were copying anything special about the iPad with regards to how it works, then they should have the right to defend that. But they aren't - they're blocking it based on the fact it's a black rectangle with a screen that is held in the hand. Which is an idea Apple don't own - as it's been done before, so their patent is invalid.

Now again, if the iPad had some inventive shape, or curved appearance, or bezel detailing or similar that marked it out and Samsung copied that, they would have a case. But trying to patent a flat black bezel? Seriously?

If Apple, or any other company for that matter, get away with enforcing a patent as vague as this for an idea as general as this, then we can say goodbye to any kind of innovation in the tech market. If a company can simply block a competitor from releasing a product they don't like as opposed to actually making their product better or pricing it more competitively so it sells, the only people who will lose out are the consumers. Apple fanboys or haters - we'll all have to put up with substandard products.

Which is why I don't understand why even pro-Apple (or pro-Apple-product people) think this is a good or justifiable move. If Apple were the only company allowed to make a tablet, do you really think you'd now be able to buy an iPad2? That Apple would even be bothering to develop the iPad3?

Competition breeds innovation, and customers win on pricing and performance grounds. Take that away and we lose, they make more money.
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