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I hate to say this but I HOPE Apple wins...

All those copy cat companies need to be put into check, seriously...

If you want a computer phone, then you should have to pay out the nose for it!

For all of us real computer people will be standing on the sidelines laughing that you paid unreal amounts of money for something that isn't even 1/4 as productive as a desktop, neither can it play games or run serious software to do serious task.

I'm just sick of the mobile market hype, mobile is all together a pain in my neck, besides these disposable mobile computers are junk anyway. Sure they might last you a year or even 3 or 5, who knows, but they are simply too expensive to fix, so when they break, it gets stolen, or you drop it hard enough, say good bye to your cool little mobile gadget...

I'll be happy when Apple dominates the mobile market, truly.
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While I think that the copied design part of the lawsuit is a little questionable I think a lot of you are missing the point of patents when you call Apple a "patent troll".

Patents are to protect intellectual property and Apple has every right to protect that.

To say that this is preventing technological advancements is absolutely ridiculous though. If anything this forces advancement as other companies have to develop their own solutions, which is generally the reason that we get new technologies.

As far as the Apple hate, I really don't get it. Grow up, nobody makes you buy their products.
    
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While I think that the copied design part of the lawsuit is a little questionable I think a lot of you are missing the point of patents when you call Apple a "patent troll".

Patents are to protect intellectual property and Apple has every right to protect that.

To say that this is preventing technological advancements is absolutely ridiculous though. If anything this forces advancement as other companies have to develop their own solutions, which is generally the reason that we get new technologies.

As far as the Apple hate, I really don't get it. Grow up, nobody makes you buy their products.
IP requires it actually being apples idea to begin with, it was not.

And patent's DO hinder tech advancement, could you imagine if say... Kingston patented the concept for DDR design, saying that no one else could make RAM shaped like theirs?
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IP requires it actually being apples idea to begin with, it was not.

And patent's DO hinder tech advancement, could you imagine if say... Kingston patented the concept for DDR design, saying that no one else could make RAM shaped like theirs?
Had kingston done that one of two things wouldve happened, they wouldve been the only memory manufacturer or another company wouldve said screw you and advanced on a tangent.

Patents have always worked like this, someone patents something great and either others wait for the patent to run out or they invent something even greater.

The best advancements in technology arise from a need for them, patents create that need and protect the intellectual property once it does advance
    
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Apple only brought its common O/S to the tablet and legions of Apple-fanboys bought something they had no need for, just like the legion of fanboys who camp outside for a newer version of their same phone with 1 or 2 minor upgrades. Apple has a cult following at this point, there's no point in denying it.

So if you're saying that Apple popularized it, sure they did. Anyone who has owned any apple product of the last 5 years could pick up the thing and be a pro at it since the O/S is identical. It brings ease-of-use.

But they didn't innovate or invent anything.
So you're saying that Apple didn't improve upon the way people interface with phones or tablet computers? That's a laugher.

The "ease of use" is one of the things that makes their products so great. Could you even imagine going back to using a stylus on your phone or tablet with some wonky half functioning OS? What they did is the definition of innovation.

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post #136 of 191
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I hate to say this but I HOPE Apple wins...

All those copy cat companies need to be put into check, seriously...

If you want a computer phone, then you should have to pay out the nose for it!

For all of us real computer people will be standing on the sidelines laughing that you paid unreal amounts of money for something that isn't even 1/4 as productive as a desktop, neither can it play games or run serious software to do serious task.

I'm just sick of the mobile market hype, mobile is all together a pain in my neck, besides these disposable mobile computers are junk anyway. Sure they might last you a year or even 3 or 5, who knows, but they are simply too expensive to fix, so when they break, it gets stolen, or you drop it hard enough, say good bye to your cool little mobile gadget...

I'll be happy when Apple dominates the mobile market, truly.
They're not copycats, they're competitors bro.

And regarding the justification of using smartphones, take note that these devices have their specific uses different from those of a desktop/notebook. They enable users to do some general tasks on a much more convenient environment without sacrificing much of the functionality seen in fuller-featured counterparts. Take internet browsing and media consumption for example: phones and tablets are very suited for the task especially for on-the-go consumers. They don't have the time to sit down on a desktop to do such things when mobile gadgets can do them anyway.

I'll be careful about the capabilities part. With ARM manufacturers vastly improving their chips at a much faster rate than desktop counterparts (jump from dual- to quad-core SoC only took 1-2 years), we could potentially see superphones and tablets able to take on even notebooks and consoles in their own arena.
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Patents have always worked like this, someone patents something great and either others wait for the patent to run out or they invent something even greater.

The best advancements in technology arise from a need for them, patents create that need and protect the intellectual property once it does advance
x86.

Ever wonder why you can only buy AMD, VIA or Intel CPUs?

The entire licensing and patent system, that's why, the theory is there but in practice it doesn't work for electronic devices, they move ahead way too fast.

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So you're saying that Apple didn't improve upon the way people interface with phones or tablet computers? That's a laugher.

The "ease of use" is one of the things that makes their products so great. Could you even imagine going back to using a stylus on your phone or tablet with some wonky half functioning OS? What they did is the definition of innovation.
Then they can patent the stuff they did innovate on, not patent something as ridiculous as the shape of the iPad, unless you're suggesting that if MS patented a rectangular device with HDMI output for playing games, that'd be a fair enough thing considering they revolutionized online play with consoles or that Harmonix can patent a game where music plays and objects come down a highway following the beat of the music, which the player responds simply because they revolutionized the music game genre.

All of those examples are completely retarded and would get plenty of flak.
    
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Yeah like people when they go to buy a Samsung tv they get so confused because they all look so similar, been rectangle with a panel and a black bezel, they always buy Sony or Panasonic

They can't clearly see the brand stamp on the front of the TV, on the box, on the manual, on the control, or on the huge adds all over the store.

Maybe apple should invest on an bigger apple stamp, or put a biger board over their product saying APPLE IPADS HERE, so people dont get confuse, and maybe samsung should put a huge board over their tablest that say THIS ARE NOT APPLE IPAD DON'T GET CONFUSED.

As comon sence dont work with you maybe nonsence will. No point on arguaing with you anymore.
/sigh

All you doing now is vaguely attempting to insult me and explaining why you yourself wouldn't confuse them. You need to let go of the idea that everybody thinks through things as much as you do.

As far as I know no company markets the style of a TV or similar product as much as Apple markets the style of their products. When you copy that image you are stealing from Apple, there are no ifs and or buts. No matter how much you say people will not confuse them, it will happen. Just to lay it all on you like you're trying to do to me, when you can disprove that people mistakenly buy the wrong tablet, come find me (hint: it's impossible to disprove).

At this point it's obvious you're investing no amount of thought into responding to me, it appears that thinking any way other than the way you have for this entire thread is just not worth your time.
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post #139 of 191
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x86.

Ever wonder why you can only buy AMD, VIA or Intel CPUs?

The entire licensing and patent system, that's why, the theory is there but in practice it doesn't work for electronic devices, they move ahead way too fast.
Having a significant market share does not mean your products should be copied. In the case of your example is people copied the architecture of SB and began selling them as their own Intel would have every right to sue.

As for why nobody else is in the business, it's a fool's errand of a business venture. The amount of money invested into making a new architecture to fit current standards and producing it in quantities to turn a profit would be an absolute crapshoot. It's like trying to start a car company today, unless you make something completely different (the Tesla for example) your chance to get into a market as saturated as cars while turning a profit is almost none. Patents in these cases protect the companies who designed the original products. While it's technically stifling the competition, it isn't doing it in a malicious manner, rather protecting your own inventions appear to be malicious.

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Then they can patent the stuff they did innovate on, not patent something as ridiculous as the shape of the iPad, unless you're suggesting that if MS patented a rectangular device with HDMI output for playing games, that'd be a fair enough thing considering they revolutionized online play with consoles or that Harmonix can patent a game where music plays and objects come down a highway following the beat of the music, which the player responds simply because they revolutionized the music game genre.

All of those examples are completely retarded and would get plenty of flak.
I don't see how a software (and console hardware) company can patent the idea of a box with an HDMI out port. Apple created the iPad from the ground up, yes they used other people's technologies, but that's like saying Dr. Pepper should be illegal because I hold a patent on 14 of the 53 flavors. The patent is not on parts, rather the amalgamation they have created, and the look that they have marketed, both of which are incredibly important to the sales of this product. It doesn't matter how vague you think the patent is, it's a legitimate patent. The patent cannot be used in any other context other than tablet PCs, regardless of what other people seem to be saying. Comparing other markets to the tablet market and saying a patent on looks is ridiculous, copy the look of any car in major ways and expect to get a lawsuit. Copy a Ferrari but put a Lamborghini's mirrors on it and use Ferrari's red and expect to get multiple lawsuits.

Patents on game content are very tricky and very hazy, I would suggest not using them in such a way. If you copy specific portions of a game in major ways (like Rock Band did) you SHOULD be able to protect your game from copies. However that was another failing of the patent system.
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post #140 of 191
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Sure you could say they have filed for patents. In all seriousness though, they are patent trolls. They do it because they want to achieve an unofficial monopoly of the market.
You just explained the moto of 99.9% of the companies in the world. Intel is the same way and between the two they will destroy every competitor. Reason why no company should become to big. Google,Apple,Intel,and Microsoft should all be knocked down a few pegs.
    
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