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I don't know what kind of pendulums you've encountered. It seems to me that Apple hate side swings MUCH, MUCH further than Apple love.

While I would love a perfect world, I must admit it seems like this is the price you must pay for new tech to become popular. I see Apple as the great advertising agency, that will take a relatively new or older forgotten design, refresh it and market the crap out of it, thus making it's appeal much larger and opening up the market for competitors to get in on the tablet (or other) market that is now booming. Before the iPad I saw nearly no mentions of any form of tablet computing device. While the whole situation isn't quite as simple as that, it captures a lot of what really is happening.

I'm sure I will be rabidly disagreed with, especially with the hopeful claims that the tablet market was not exponentially increased by Apple. People turn a blind eye to anything they don't like. If you choose a side and alienate yourself from opposing things you will always be unhappy with the current state of affairs, or you will be disadvantaging yourself. I buy the things I want for my own reasons, as long as who I'm buying from isn't committing mass murder or child slavery, etc. I don't see playing a broken system as a grave moral quandry when it comes to companies, I rather see it as an opportunity to expose issues int eh system and rectify them. I'm sure there are more than enough rabid fanboys on this site to get a message out if they would only apply themselves rather than complain on internet boards where the ideas will go unheard by people in positions to make a difference.
+1 Apple is the way it is now because it can market themselves - that's how you win at life and against the world.
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While I would love a perfect world, I must admit it seems like this is the price you must pay for new tech to become popular. I see Apple as the great advertising agency, that will take a relatively new or older forgotten design, refresh it and market the crap out of it, thus making it's appeal much larger and opening up the market for competitors to get in on the tablet (or other) market that is now booming. Before the iPad I saw nearly no mentions of any form of tablet computing device. While the whole situation isn't quite as simple as that, it captures a lot of what really is happening.
Yes, Apple is great at marketing. What is your point exactly? That they somehow deserve a monopoly on tablets, even though they existed beforehand, just because the hordes of mindless Apple zombies bought it (even though 90% of them dont need it)? So does Ford deserve a patent for the automobile, since they were the first to bring it to the masses? They both popularized their products, but they did not invent it, so why should they hold a patent on it? You dont see this in any other industry. They go to the inventors of the technology, not the ones who popularize it.

Competition is a GOOD thing. If Apple were the sole tablet maker, they would release a new iPad every few months adding very little to it (well less than they already do). If there is not another competitor making a tablet and continuously making it better, there is no reason for Apple to stay ahead of them. Thus, they can spend a minimal amount on R&D without worry of being overtaken by a competitor that made a better product.
    
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They do got a point though whether you like it or not. The iPad came out with internet, games, random nonsense, a giant iphone etc. Then all these other tablets popped up, They got your basic internet, games, random nonsense, a giant off brand iphone etc. But the Tank was patented....look how well that turned out. In short, if you got the cash, you can do whatever the fruit you want.
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Yes, Apple is great at marketing. What is your point exactly? That they somehow deserve a monopoly on tablets, even though they existed beforehand, just because the hordes of mindless Apple zombies bought it (even though 90% of them dont need it)? So does Ford deserve a patent for the automobile, since they were the first to bring it to the masses? They both popularized their products, but they did not invent it, so why should they hold a patent on it? You dont see this in any other industry. They go to the inventors of the technology, not the ones who popularize it.

Competition is a GOOD thing. If Apple were the sole tablet maker, they would release a new iPad every few months adding very little to it (well less than they already do). If there is not another competitor making a tablet and continuously making it better, there is no reason for Apple to stay ahead of them. Thus, they can spend a minimal amount on R&D without worry of being overtaken by a competitor that made a better product.
My point was that as it appears, there wouldn't be anywhere near the tablet market there is now without Apple's marketing. I'm not deny that competition is a good thing, rather I'm saying that this is the price you pay when nobody else is willing to put in the investment in advertising that Apple does. That doesn't make it fair or unfair, it's simply the way it goes. Other companies are capitalizing off of Apple's marketing by producing similar products, while it may seem vague to you, Apple basically created the tablet market we have today and cause a whole new sector for other companies to profit from. Now we do have an economy where supposedly you can compete equally no matter how large, but in this case one could easily say that all of the tablet profits other companies are getting are indirectly caused by Apple's handiwork.

It sounds very restrictive, but had Apple not made the iPad, I'm guessing we would have virtually no tablet market.
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So if intel got the same right to kick amd out of certain market would everyone be happy? In the long run it would probably means they can sell their products at any price range for the next 25 years without a fear of competition....
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My point was that as it appears, there wouldn't be anywhere near the tablet market there is now without Apple's marketing. I'm not deny that competition is a good thing, rather I'm saying that this is the price you pay when nobody else is willing to put in the investment in advertising that Apple does. That doesn't make it fair or unfair, it's simply the way it goes. Other companies are capitalizing off of Apple's marketing by producing similar products, while it may seem vague to you, Apple basically created the tablet market we have today and cause a whole new sector for other companies to profit from. Now we do have an economy where supposedly you can compete equally no matter how large, but in this case one could easily say that all of the tablet profits other companies are getting are indirectly caused by Apple's handiwork.

It sounds very restrictive, but had Apple not made the iPad, I'm guessing we would have virtually no tablet market.
It still doesn't justify patenting a rectangle with a bezel design.

You don't see car companies trying to patent a "body with 4 wheels" design..
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An Apple a day...
Will sue you today.
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It still doesn't justify patenting a rectangle with a bezel design.

You don't see car companies trying to patent a "body with 4 wheels" design..
But I do see BP patenting the word "invigorate".

Whether or not you think it does or does not justify having what you believe to be a vague patent, there is a lot more than goes into a patent lawsuit than your post seems to express. The market in which the product is sold and what the actual intention is has a great deal of impact on who and what can be litigated against based on a patent. Samsung did not make a square tablet with a thin black bezel and sharp corners, rather they made a tablet that looks nearly identical to an iPad from the front save for the word Samsung and and different placed front camera.

I don't think you're looking at the big picture. We live in a time where that are vast numbers of people who do not know how to use email and think Fox News is fair and balanced. In a market as specific as tablets, a product that looks so similar will divert revenue from Apple based simply on confusion alone. There are untold masses of people who bought iPads because they thought the commercials looked cool. Now take into account the fact that it looks similar and you have lost revenue. Unlike most people on this forum, there are a lot of people who make uninformed purchases when it comes to tech, and this is what causes the problem in the end for the holder of patents on design.

It's not a perfect world that we live in, we live in a country with a patent office that gets no federal funding and thus whoever is willing to pay a lot for patents generally gets them. The problem in this case is not Apple, rather our patent system.

The predicament we are in now is that if we backtrack on patents for design than we set a dangerous precedent for any patent like it.

TL;DR People are stupid, and they will buy things that look similar to what they want without researching it.
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But I do see BP patenting the word "invigorate".

Whether or not you think it does or does not justify having what you believe to be a vague patent, there is a lot more than goes into a patent lawsuit than your post seems to express. The market in which the product is sold and what the actual intention is has a great deal of impact on who and what can be litigated against based on a patent. Samsung did not make a square tablet with a thin black bezel and sharp corners, rather they made a tablet that looks nearly identical to an iPad from the front save for the word Samsung and and different placed front camera.

I don't think you're looking at the big picture. We live in a time where that are vast numbers of people who do not know how to use email and think Fox News is fair and balanced. In a market as specific as tablets, a product that looks so similar will divert revenue from Apple based simply on confusion alone. There are untold masses of people who bought iPads because they thought the commercials looked cool. Now take into account the fact that it looks similar and you have lost revenue. Unlike most people on this forum, there are a lot of people who make uninformed purchases when it comes to tech, and this is what causes the problem in the end for the holder of patents on design.

It's not a perfect world that we live in, we live in a country with a patent office that gets no federal funding and thus whoever is willing to pay a lot for patents generally gets them. The problem in this case is not Apple, rather our patent system.

The predicament we are in now is that if we backtrack on patents for design than we set a dangerous precedent for any patent like it.

TL;DR People are stupid, and they will buy things that look similar to what they want without researching it.
And you think CNN is fair?! lol
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copied design is copied, after all it's Sammy who didn't do their research on patent applications before product release or pay $0.05 for licensing for each item... Quote/flame ready
Exactly, If Apple blatantly ripped off another product, then all of you would still be against apple.

Just face it, this website is full of unjustified Apple haters and im stick of opening Apple related threads....
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