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Hello guys,

I have been recording some fraps footage on my internal hdd (1TB sata 3 7200rpm with windows and all files on it) lately (at 1920x1080, 45fps), and have been noticing frame rates drops and choppiness in the videos.

I know that if I use a separate hdd just for fraps, then I will see a substantial performance increase. I looked around on ebay, searching for sata 3 hdds. My search yielded a wd caviar blue 500gb and a wd caviar black 500gb drive. I can snap up the blue for around 45 dollars, but the black is around 95. I googled the models and looked at the specifics.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the only major difference between the two that the black has double the cache? They both have a rotational speed of 7200rpm and are both sata 6gb/s. So I guess my question is, will the blue perform just as well as the black for recording fraps gameplay footage at 1920x1080 at around 45fps? Does the cache size even matter? Because if it's not any better, I obviously don't want to pay the extra 50 bucks for the black.

Cheers.
Edited by theSpacec0wboy - 8/16/11 at 12:19am
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I record to a caviar blue 320GB. zero lag. solid 60fps @ 1440x900.


So what ever is cheaper.



Also, you might want to format the post better. It's hard to read it.
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IMO cache only matters on read, write (like with Fraps) whould be the same. I might be wrong.
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I record to a caviar blue 320GB. zero lag. solid 60fps @ 1440x900.


So what ever is cheaper.



Also, you might want to format the post better. It's hard to read it.
Thanks for the quick response. Cool, sounds like the blue is a good option then. Also, thanks for pointing out my block of text, I was in a bit of a hurry to get it typed out and posted, but in the future it might be a good idea to make it easier to read
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You might want to consider a Black if you plan on recording at super high resolution, I'm currently recording to a Green (40R / 35W) and I've had no issues with 1280x1024 @ 60FPS.
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But if the only thing I am doing with the drive is WRITING to it, then does the cache size even matter? AFAIK the cache only affects the read speeds of the drive, and that doesn't matter to me at all. Because the drive can't cache something that it doesn't know exists as data on it yet, can it? And as I said before the only difference between the two is that the black has double the cache (and is also double the price - which I still can't justify).
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If the platter density is the same, recording performance between the Blues and Black should be nearly identical.

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Originally Posted by ronnin426850 View Post
IMO cache only matters on read, write (like with Fraps) whould be the same. I might be wrong.
Actually, cache matters considerably more on writes than on reads. Everything you write passes through the cache, but the chances of the data you are trying to read from a large drive being in 32-64MiB of cache are very small.

That said cache is not a big deal on a dedicated FRAPS drive; it's not as important for sequential stuff.
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honestly a green would be fine for fraps unless you start recording at double the resolution and frame rate and force accurate colors on.

Your choppyness is because your drive is reading and writing data other than the fraps recording. Every time it does that, no matter how briefly, it has to stop recording to the drive and store data in the cache, and then try to catch up before you notice it. Inevitably, there will be times where you do notice it.

Putting it on another drive with nothing else on it means you can just let it constantly write without anything to stall it. A laptop drive wouldn't even struggle with that.

Oh.. do make sure you actually defrag this drive btw. you dont want your drive playing hide and seek with freespace. That can also cause slow downs. Has nothing to do with which drive you use as ANY drive will get fragmented and (unless its a SSD) will have the same issues from it.

Bottom line - get the cheapest hard drive you can find with the space you desire.
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nvm. didn't look at your location.
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Also, there is no chance of a HDD saturating even SATA-II 3gb/s bandwidth, so you shouldn't specifically search for SATA-III drives...
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