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Sorry this will be a rather bloated post.

I plan on buying a pair of 570's and to make my first custom loop. I need some advice as the which 570's I should get. Ive heard that the older 570's have vram cooling issues even under water. The new evga classified looks nice .

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...assified%20570.

Will any full cover blocks fit on that? Right now Im looking at a few blocks.

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/aqforgtx580a.html

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekgtxacnifuc.html

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekgtxnipl1.html

What is the difference between the nickle/plexi, the acetal/nickle, and the aquafx copper.

Next, im looking for some nice backplates, do the 580 backplates work with the 570? I cant seem to find any 570 backplates.

Ok moving on, should I get 1 pump or 2 pumps with this loop (CPU, 2VGA)? Also is there a performance difference if I get a pump/res combo? I use the corsair 600t SE so putting the pump and res in 2 5.25 bays would be ideal to conserve space, but im sure I could fit a res and pump elsewhere.

As far as tubing goes, im still a little confused. What size is best? 3/8 or 1/2?

A few things I know nothing about are compressions fittings and barbs. Are these interchangeable? Do you use barbs AND compression fittings or just one or the other? Same goes for pumps and tops, I understand what a pump is but what is the top and do I need one?

Ill edit this if I come up with anymore questions. +rep to anyone who responds with some constructive advice.
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The 570 Classified isn't a reference design card so I'm not too sure full blocks will work. EVGA sells back plates for their reference design 570s. As far as tubing is concerned I like 7/16" ID x 5/8" OD over 1/2" barbs. Things go on so tight you don't even need clamps. Well I don't use them since its almost impossible to remove without cutting it off the barbs.
Edited by wholeeo - 8/16/11 at 8:43am
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Those blocks are all for reference based cards. I have heard that the 570 classified is just a 580 PCB with a 570 GPU. If this is true then those blocks will fit. However if it is a non reference PCB then you are SOL as far as full cover blocks go currently.
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If you're going to get a card, get a reference card because waterblocks are made generally for reference cards. (i didnt check the cards you listed)

as far as blocks go, check out the XSPC Razor block... doesnt look as fancy as those blocks and not as expensive. but they cool just as good if not better. (great vrm cooling)

as far as pumps go, get a 655 pump. excellent pump. just need 1.

as far as tubing goes, it generally depends on the barbs or compression fittings that you use. the 655 comes with 1/2. if you get a pump top (better flow) you will be able to use either 1/2 or 3/8 barbs or compression fittings. YOU CAN mix and match compression fitting and barbs. the compression fittings are much easier to work with IMHO.


EDIT: dont forget the rads. as far as the res/pump combo i personally have not used that because im not limited in space.
Edited by Not A Good Idea - 8/16/11 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by tino1317 View Post
Sorry this will be a rather bloated post.

I plan on buying a pair of 570's and to make my first custom loop. I need some advice as the which 570's I should get. Ive heard that the older 570's have vram cooling issues even under water. The new evga classified looks nice .

Ill edit this if I come up with anymore questions. +rep to anyone who responds with some constructive advice.
Let me start with the bolded part above. It is not the VRAM (memory) but the VRM (power supply) of the reference design GTX570 that is considered to be 'not strong enough' by some.

Since you are going for watercooling, are you just for the temperature or also for extreme overclocking as well?

If you plan for moderate overclocking, then I am not too worried about the VRMs.
If you are after extreme overclocking, then perhaps the reference GTX570 might not be very suitable.

This part is relevant because almost all waterblocks are made for reference design. So, this consideration should be decided at the earliest stage.
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as far as vanilla 570 weak- VRM concern ..i would say "bad batch",i have my 570 for over 7 months and nothing is smoking. I plan to SLI vanilla/classified and did some research on full cover blocks ..all i can tell (from contacting some FC blocks Mnf. ) is Classified should work with most FC blocks
as for " Best GTX 570 For Full Block" and card ..eVGA Classy and this block
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_inf...110--G1-4.html

EDIT;
- 3/8 or 1/2 is more about aesthetics than anything else (1/8 wall thickness is what you want)
-single pump would do just fine -recommend 35x/tube res (swiftech pumps=no top or no warranty)
-"compressions fittings and barbs"..yes ..as long as they both same size
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http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/1087...l#post14513151
take a close look at the pcb, and compare it to a reference 580
http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/u...-PCB_32250.jpg

sure looks like a reference pcb, just not of the 570, but a 580 minus 2 ram chips
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http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/1087...l#post14513151
take a close look at the pcb, and compare it to a reference 580
http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/u...-PCB_32250.jpg

sure looks like a reference pcb, just not of the 570, but a 580 minus 2 ram chips
So is the classified just a factory overclocked version of their normal 570? Its relatively more expensive for 100mhz more on the core clock. Thinks its worth it for $360 or just go with the a reference. This one is $320 but im not sure if its reference:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130613

This one im pretty positive is a reference but its $10 more:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130593
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Can anyone address the performance difference between nickle/acetal, nickle/plexi, and copper, as well as having the pump/res combo vs not.
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the classified is a binned 570 on a 580 pcb minus 2 ram chips, meaning it has 6 gpu power phases and 2 ram phases if i remember correctly
that's pretty much it, but you get msi pe performance that you can throw a full coverage block on, that and it's cheaper so those why you get it, but with how close it is to a 580(at stock close and cost) and how you can throw a full coverage block on a 580, kind of makes puts the classy 570 in a weird spot

then again i think it's weird to get a full coverage block for motherboard and video cards, so what do i know

as for the real world numbers(temps) difference between copper and nickel are not even a degree apart if they are the same block plus a nickel coating, as for the top, acetal is more resilient, meaning it's really hard to crack it like plexi, and they offer no difference in temps if they do it's even more fractional than the difference between nickel and copper
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