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Huh? That's pretty debatable don't you think? I mean, that's the whole point of getting Hi Fi equipment and listening to FLAC, to hear the best quality. I can hear a difference between the two, but that's because I have HD 555s. If it was $10 earphones, then they'd both sound bad.
I'd agree with this. It's like a misled newb claiming that the human eye can't see more than 24 FPS. In reality, there's no exact number (and a lot of the experienced gamers know that there's a visible difference between 60 and 120 FPS).
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I'd agree with this. It's like a misled newb claiming that the human eye can't see more than 24 FPS. In reality, there's no exact number (and a lot of the experienced gamers know that there's a visible difference between 60 and 120 FPS).
strawman argument and incomparable. Also human eye limitations aren't just blanket covered by one thing, There are many aspects to the human eye and all have different limitations (e.g. motion detection and flickering)
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I doubt it. Lossless is more for archival and transcoding purposes.

Also, technically, FLAC is compressed but it's lossless. Compressed is not the same as lossy.
Think of FLAC as a ZIP file for audio
Its true. I can decode a flac to basically any other lower quality but I can't encode a lower quality to flac because you can't go from low quality to high quality.

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Huh? That's pretty debatable don't you think? I mean, that's the whole point of getting Hi Fi equipment and listening to FLAC, to hear the best quality. I can hear a difference between the two, but that's because I have HD 555s. If it was $10 earphones, then they'd both sound bad.
Obviously things sound different on a nice HiFi sound system but did you not read where I said it does depend on what speakers/headphones your using?
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strawman argument and incomparable. Also human eye limitations aren't just blanket covered by one thing, There are many aspects to the human eye and all have different limitations (e.g. motion detection and flickering)
And there's only 1 aspect to hearing? You think that hearing is just that much more simple? And all humans have the same hearing? Oh right, it's not like any persons have better hearing than the rest of us (blind people are an example).

Fact is, sound info is removed when compressing to a 320 kbps MP3. The sound that's gone could've affected the listener, had it been there. Even frequencies we can't hear have been shown to affect us (in some cases a lot). Of course, this all assumes you have good speakers. There will be a difference in the music, so why are you saying that no one can hear the difference?

The point is that my post was an analogy. We get the 24 FPS BS all the time, but how often do we discuss if FLAC is necessary? People will understand that this is the same situation, you can't put a number on hearing, just like you can't put a number on vision. There are too many variables.

Sauce Boss even said that there's sometimes a noticeable difference (right after he said that a human can't hear more than 320 kbps ).
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Yes, it';s called audible threshold. DBT ABX test people.
Also what matters far more is the dynamic range of the track, not the bitrate as such.
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I can hear quite a difference between FLAC and MP3@320. If you guys can't, that's your problem, lol.

Also, it's better for archival purposes. So FLAC pwn MP3.
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Yes, it's called audible threshold. DBT ABX test people.
Also what matters far more is the dynamic range of the track, not the bitrate as such.
So, what's the limit? At what bitrate is the human hearing maxed out? Why is it impossible to hear the difference between FLAC and MP3?
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bitrate highly depends on the codec and where the low pass filter is at at that bitrate. Also it's near impossible due to that low pass filter. What could be audible is artifacts (with mp3). Not to mention most music lies between 30Hz - 15kHz. As stated, although bitrate is important, it's not the most important factor in sound quality. the dynamic range of the track is.
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bitrate highly depends on the codec and where the low pass filter is at at that bitrate. Also it's near impossible due to that low pass filter. What could be audible is artifacts (with mp3). Not to mention most music lies between 30Hz - 15kHz. As stated, although bitrate is important, it's not the most important factor in sound quality. the dynamic range of the track is.
Which means that my analogy is right, you can't just put a number on sound quality. It depends on lots of other variables, just like FPS. The analogy doesn't have to be perfect. As long as it communicates the basic idea (that sound quality isn't defined by a single number), it has done it's job.
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any lossless can be converted to LPCM

but any lossy can't ( discarded data during the process of doing this ? )

CD is already compressed or so
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