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most people cant hear a discernable difference between 128kbps and 320kbps.

WAV/AIFF > FLAC/Apple lossless > MP3/AAC

I encode at 320kbps MP3 - because its the most accessible format and it sounds good at a decent file size.

whether or not different codecs sound different or not is all subjective. on the gear youre listening on you may or may not be able to hear a difference. do a listening test yourself, and you decide which you prefer, because no one else will be able to tell you. As long as it plays on your player and it sounds good to you, who cares what format its in?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Disabled Reaction View Post
most people cant hear a discernable difference between 128kbps and 320kbps.

WAV/AIFF > FLAC/Apple lossless > MP3/AAC

I encode at 320kbps MP3 - because its the most accessible format and it sounds good at a decent file size.

whether or not different codecs sound different or not is all subjective. on the gear youre listening on you may or may not be able to hear a difference. do a listening test yourself, and you decide which you prefer, because no one else will be able to tell you. As long as it plays on your player and it sounds good to you, who cares what format its in?
Isn't FLAC/Apple lossless technically = WAV/AIFF? From what I understand, the player uncompresses them and plays the uncompressed audio. And since they're lossless, they haven't lost anything compared to WAV.

That said, I took blind tests with 128 kbps MP3 and 320 kbps MP3 and there's sometimes an obvious difference. Can't say the same for FLAC vs. 320 kbps MP3 though.
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1. No, they are equal.
2. There are various sites online where you can buy FLAC (lossless compressed) files, however I'd rather buy the CD as it's not much more. For artists that I like I buy their CDs..for the mediocre mainstream pop songs that come out almost daily I just get them off iTunes (iTunes Plus is ok...better than most mp3 encoded tracks).

For my iPod I have everything encoded in iTunes plus (for the sake of space). For archiving, I use uncompressed linear PCM wave files (I don't touch my CDs after ripping them to keep them in pristine condition). For listing on my computer and various other hifi devices, I use a combination of FLAC, ALAC, and iTunes plus files (for the songs that I don't buy the CDs). But essentially it boils down to you having good speakers/headphones and DAC/amp/etc. to actually notice the difference between compressed and uncompressed...let alone lossless compressed vs. CD. I, for one, cannot discern the difference of iTunes plus and FLAC when using crappy stock Apple earbuds. However, with my hifi system I can clearly tell the difference between iTunes plus and FLAC (though I cannot tell the difference between lossless compressed and uncompressed for the life of me).
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Quote:
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1. No, they are equal.
2. There are various sites online where you can buy FLAC (lossless compressed) files, however I'd rather buy the CD as it's not much more. For artists that I like I buy their CDs..for the mediocre mainstream pop songs that come out almost daily I just get them off iTunes (iTunes Plus is ok...better than most mp3 encoded tracks).

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but isn't flac from a dvd source > cd source? since... dvd/cd are just the source and flac is just a lossless compression ( not a source )
they can be different if the source isn't the same... ( flac from cd source and cd = same? )
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but isn't flac from a dvd source > cd source? since... dvd/cd are just the source and flac is just a lossless compression ( not a source )
they can be different if the source isn't the same... ( flac from cd source and cd = same? )
I don't really get what you are saying, but I will make the best of it.

First off, it's CD (hardly any artists record to DVD). CD is the source material encoded in linear pulse code modulation (LPCM) wave files. These wave files are uncompressed and are what the artists record to (no lost in sound quality or definition). FLAC files are LOSSLESS compressed files. They use algorithms to effectively cut off some file size without loosing ANY sound quality or definition. It is useful for archival purposes as FLAC files aren't as large as uncompressed LPCM wave files, but essentially those FLAC files can be decoded to create a LPCM wave file identical to the original source.
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Can't quote all the misinformation in this thread. Bitrate is not the only thing that affects sound quality. The encoding codec/algorithm plays the major part in the final result of any encoding/re-encoding of a soundtrack.

MP3's are for the most part lossy compressed files that have had both the uppermost, and bottom most octives of the soundtrack removed. Other transient areas are also removed, and then the whole thing reorganized so that a decoder can then make sense of it for playback.

It is done like this, because most people can't hear the octives that have been removed anyway, (or don't notice them missing). Again... MOST People. Hearing is just as variable in humans as sight as someone mentioned above.

Don't beleive that just because you can't hear something, that someone else can't either. Human hearing is affected over time by frequencies that have already been heard. As an extreme example, for anyone who has ever had "ringing" in your ears caused by a loud noise. That ringing, is your ears, loosing the ability to hear the frequency that caused the ringing in the first place... It never comes back.

Take a look at an MP3's waveform with any sound editor. You will see vast differences between different MP3s, (even of the same soundtrack). The reason is that there is no standard encoding methold that has been established for MP3 audio (MPEG1). Only the decoders need to "follow the rules", so the encoding algorithms used to remove the parts of the original soundtrack will differ based on the actual encoding software. Quality is dependent on the choice of encoder and encoding parameters set in the algorithms.

Only Lossless encoding will preserve all of the information that was in the original soundtrack. And yes, you can encode a low bitrate MP3 file to FLAC. But the FLAC file will only be as good as the file it was encoded from. you can't get the information back once it's gone.
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HD tracks has a good selection and their selection is growing! That said, they don't have a lot of popular music, it's mostly jazz, classical, acoustic stuff.

I have the ability to stream my entire CD collection (save maybe a couple discs I still have to rip) to my main stereo, however I still take the CD off the shelf and put it in my disc player when I want to listen to music. Just like as soon as I replace my turntable I'll take the record off the shelf and put it on the table to listen to music. It's all part of the experience.

Re: lossless vs lossy there isn't any point in arguing on the internet as it is what it is. Some people can tell a difference, some people cannot. If the OP can discern a difference, or even if knowing his music is all lossless will make him feel better than purchasing the actual CD to rip or spending a little extra on lossless downloads is worth it to him.
It's all to scale. I can usually tell the difference between lossless and lossy when I'm listening on my stereo, or my headphone setup. However, if I just plugged a set of earbuds into the headphone output of my iPhone I probably wouldn't be able to hear the difference. The same song, same source (iPhone) via LOD to my headphone amp and my IEMs or one of my cans, sure I'll hear a difference... but the setup is better and much more expensive.
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post #28 of 37

I hate HDTracks' laughable marketing tbh though.

As stated, dynamic range and production of the track overrides everything tbh, including format, bitrate, sampling rate...

Oh yeah:


720p plz
post #29 of 37
Another good way to obtain FLAC is to buy used CDs and rip them, I find that works out really cheap.

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That album is in terms of mastering.
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htp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi3i-HqDNFI

Death to the Loudness War indeed
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