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Death to the Loudness War indeed
Um, turning it on to 720p won't magically get rid of the "Loudness War" if it's already the way the track/album was mastered.

In other news, if two lossless codecs sound different, then that means one (or possibly both) have been coded wrong, or you're suffering from placebo (which is easy to do when dealing with audio).
    
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post #32 of 37
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Um, turning it on to 720p won't magically get rid of the "Loudness War" if it's already the way the track/album was mastered.
I knew that but there wasn't much to quote. I was referring to what Kiwi placed in the video's description. I have edited that quote so as to not confuse others into thinking my audio epeen is small. The Beats are the best, yo! (oops...)
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Um, turning it on to 720p won't magically get rid of the "Loudness War" if it's already the way the track/album was mastered.

In other news, if two lossless codecs sound different, then that means one (or possibly both) have been coded wrong, or you're suffering from placebo (which is easy to do when dealing with audio).
720p increases the sound quality (if uploaded from a lossless source like I did [.WAV converted from FLAC]) to ~152kbps AAC.
post #34 of 37
I usually just use CDs for FLAC. Chinesewiki is right. It's compressed-lossless audio, so it's not the whole file ripped. You won't hear a difference unless you have audiphile quality equipment and a good ear.

I rip to FLAC simply for convenience. I don't want to have to find a CD or listen to an artist one at a time. The culture we live in.
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Flac is impossible to listen to without it being uncompressed.

1. CD and FLAC are both uncompressed so they are both the same.

2. You can rip a CD if you really want FLAC but the human ear can't hear better quality then 320kbps. It also depends on the song and headphones/speakers you are using. Sometimes FLAC is noticeably different than 320, other times not.
1. Flac is compressed.

2. That's like saying human eyes can't be better than 20/20.
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strawman argument and incomparable. Also human eye limitations aren't just blanket covered by one thing, There are many aspects to the human eye and all have different limitations (e.g. motion detection and flickering)
Same applies to audio (and you go on to list some of these aspects in a later post).

I can most definitely hear the difference between a FLAC file and a 320kbps MP3, if it's the right kind of sound. Even 320kbps MP3s can really screw up, or even omit, the highest frequencies, and make certain percussion instruments sound muddy.

On most tracks, no, I cannot tell the difference, but on some, it's immediately and blatantly obvious.

Saying that it's categorically impossible for humans to detect the difference between FLAC and 320kbps MP3 is a load of crap.
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As I said, dynamic range.

If you understand how lossy audio works, you'll see why it's close to it, particularly with AAC and Vorbis
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