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Why do they always use the m60 rather than the m240b? Who uses an M60 anymore?
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The SEALs. Navy in general. Check M60E3 or Mk43 Mod 0.

I agree though - the M240B makes more sense for conventional units. Since BF3 takes place in the future, it might better be served by the 240L but that won't make a difference in the game. What annoys me is that these are labeled as light machine guns. If they'd just drop the term "light" all would be well...


ETA - M39 probably refers to the Enhanced Marksman Rifle (EMR) which is essentially an EBR with the full length 22 inch barrel. I can't imagine there'd be a Finnish Mosin variant as a sniper rifle... Although I'd like to see what the SKS is doing there or what name they messed up to have that there. The SKS is hardly what anyone can call a sniper rifle...
Edited by phamkl - 8/18/11 at 11:29pm
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You missed my question - how do you know how reliable the M16/4 is and how do you know how accurate the AK47 is? But first, let's address your issues...

Less ammunition or lesser ammunition? Black Hills Mk 626 is what the Marines use and we can definitely buy it. Performs a sight better than M855 too. If you're talking ammo cap, we can buy any 30 rounder STANAG mag out there. When 40, 60, and 100 rounders are available we can buy those too. Oh and, C-Mags are available, as well as SAW-MAGs.

The only difference between a military rifle and a civilian rifle is the trigger group - true. I never disputed this, but good job knowing that M16s and M4s aren't sold to the public. Here's a fun fact - you can purchase the same lower used in the M4. In fact, you can purchase everything used in the M4 from Colt Mfg except for the trigger group. HUGE difference, I know. But either way, the gas system is exactly the same -

Which brings up my point. ARs are reliable and AKs are accurate. For the AK statement let's go with a circumstantial scenario - would you stand in front of a man firing an AK at you at 100 yards?

For the AR reliability issue let's start by going through why it was unreliable.
1. billed as "self cleaning" which is patently wrong - fixed by telling soldiers to perform proper maintenance.
2. bad ammo - the powder used early in the Viet Nam war gummed up when exposed to moisture. This caused a lot of squibs. - fixed by switching powder type
3. excessive fouling - fixed with chromed chambers and bores
4. tilted followers - fixed with anti tilit followers
5. fouled - not fixed when maintained by negligent owners or troops. Fixed otherwise.

There's a famous Bravo Company Machine made AR that's run thousands of rounds and been cleaned once. Still running strong. Oh right, it's not an M16... but it has EXACTLY THE SAME GAS SYSTEM.

And finally, here's a good place to start looking for M16/M4 reliability:
http://kitup.military.com/2010/07/th...the-m4m16.html

I own many AKM(47 improved), and the gun is accurate, but no where near the m16 level. It also jams a lot, but due to loose fitting parts the AK47 based stuff can fire in sand and such. I'd rather us my AK-104.
    
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Yes. You said it. An AK is accurate. My job is done and there's no more need to derail this thread.
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lol @ SKS sniper rifle.
post #196 of 218
I'm confused, are people talking about real guns or do the guns in BF3 jam? If they do then I will get it. Well I was going to get it anyway probably on PC if I get a graphics card and a DVD drive by the time its released.
    
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I'm confused, are people talking about real guns or do the guns in BF3 jam? If they do then I will get it. Well I was going to get it anyway probably on PC if I get a graphics card and a DVD drive by the time its released.
They don't jam, they're talking about real guns.
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MY top guns, in order of most kills:

M416 -- 680 kills - 180 HS's
SV98 -- 656 kills - 490 HS's
XM8 LMG -- 360 kills - 80 HS's

I've spent 11 hours more with the SV98 than I have with the M416! Though I have way more kit score with Assault than I do Recon.
    
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You missed my question - how do you know how reliable the M16/4 is and how do you know how accurate the AK47 is? But first, let's address your issues...

Less ammunition or lesser ammunition? Black Hills Mk 626 is what the Marines use and we can definitely buy it. Performs a sight better than M855 too. If you're talking ammo cap, we can buy any 30 rounder STANAG mag out there. When 40, 60, and 100 rounders are available we can buy those too. Oh and, C-Mags are available, as well as SAW-MAGs.

The only difference between a military rifle and a civilian rifle is the trigger group - true. I never disputed this, but good job knowing that M16s and M4s aren't sold to the public. Here's a fun fact - you can purchase the same lower used in the M4. In fact, you can purchase everything used in the M4 from Colt Mfg except for the trigger group. HUGE difference, I know. But either way, the gas system is exactly the same -

Which brings up my point. ARs are reliable and AKs are accurate. For the AK statement let's go with a circumstantial scenario - would you stand in front of a man firing an AK at you at 100 yards?

For the AR reliability issue let's start by going through why it was unreliable.
1. billed as "self cleaning" which is patently wrong - fixed by telling soldiers to perform proper maintenance.
2. bad ammo - the powder used early in the Viet Nam war gummed up when exposed to moisture. This caused a lot of squibs. - fixed by switching powder type
3. excessive fouling - fixed with chromed chambers and bores
4. tilted followers - fixed with anti tilit followers
5. fouled - not fixed when maintained by negligent owners or troops. Fixed otherwise.

There's a famous Bravo Company Machine made AR that's run thousands of rounds and been cleaned once. Still running strong. Oh right, it's not an M16... but it has EXACTLY THE SAME GAS SYSTEM.

And finally, here's a good place to start looking for M16/M4 reliability:
http://kitup.military.com/2010/07/th...the-m4m16.html
To the rest of OCN: sorry. Had to rant against this ignorance.
If you are going to state things as facts, make sure you have your facts straight. The correct ammo is Mk 262. read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO#Mk_262
 
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Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
MY top guns, in order of most kills:

M416 -- 680 kills - 180 HS's
SV98 -- 656 kills - 490 HS's
XM8 LMG -- 360 kills - 80 HS's

I've spent 11 hours more with the SV98 than I have with the M416! Though I have way more kit score with Assault than I do Recon.
Mine are:

Knife: 700 Kills
M9: 559 Kills
G3: 326 Kills
M1A1 Thompson: 307 Kills

funny how i have more kills with my M9 Beretta than any other gun XD
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