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It also (deliberately) misses some fundamental features of X, although these can mostly be added by bolting X on as an extra layer on top of Wayland.
at that point why not just run x? :/

im not too excited about wayland because everyone knows how terrible some things can get when a core piece like x has been around so long and some one decides they want to change it... compatibility is being taken into mind i know, but its never quite perfect
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at that point why not just run x? :/

im not too excited about wayland because everyone knows how terrible some things can get when a core piece like x has been around so long and some one decides they want to change it... compatibility is being taken into mind i know, but its never quite perfect
You'd think that a core piece of technology that old would be polished eh? It's not always the case; look at GNU Screen. GNU Screen has been around for a long freakin' time. It's the standard. You'd think it would be the best and most stable terminal multiplexer possible, until you try tmux. A brand new codebase started from someone who knows what they're doing can trash an age old codebase with tons of revised code tagged on over the years.

Granted a terminal multiplexer isn't a display server, the same could be said with X. X has been around FOREVER and guess what program gives me the most grief and is the most unstable while maintaining a bleeding-edge Arch system: X. How many years and the thing is still all over the place? Graphics has changed quite a bit compared to when the X Window System was first devised in the '84. IMO X is legacy garbage that's needed a replacement for years.
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lol i know the benefits of going with a new display server

in theory its a very good thing... in theory...

in practice im not so sure though, im just concerned with how well it will keep backwards compatability seeing as everything is designed to run with x
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lol i know the benefits of going with a new display server

in theory its a very good thing... in theory...

in practice im not so sure though, im just concerned with how well it will keep backwards compatability seeing as everything is designed to run with x
Isn't backwards compatibility something that we harangue Windows for? And isn't that part of the reason that Wayland is still so "far" from release because they're trying to cover everything. My fear is that if they try to make everything compatible they might bloat the heck out of Wayland or breed some unforeseen problems into it.
     
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Well as I said earlier, there are things that Wayland can't do itself that X can (eg. remote rendering; X was built to be network transparent). Wayland isn't trying to do everything, but it does allow legacy software to work on top of it to provide legacy functionality; at least that which the Wayland project considers legacy. If they nail a stable API for other things like X use, then responsibility for backwards compatibility is passed on to those 3rd party projects and Wayland can focus on what it was built for.
    
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Isn't backwards compatibility something that we harangue Windows for? And isn't that part of the reason that Wayland is still so "far" from release because they're trying to cover everything. My fear is that if they try to make everything compatible they might bloat the heck out of Wayland or breed some unforeseen problems into it.

When you write a native Windows 7 program you're still writing some legacy Windows 3.1 code, dating back to when Windows was simply a program that ran on DOS.

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Well as I said earlier, there are things that Wayland can't do itself that X can (eg. remote rendering; X was built to be network transparent). Wayland isn't trying to do everything, but it does allow legacy software to work on top of it to provide legacy functionality; at least that which the Wayland project considers legacy. If they nail a stable API for other things like X use, then responsibility for backwards compatibility is passed on to those 3rd party projects and Wayland can focus on what it was built for.

Wayland's legacy support is running a separate X server inside Wayland, which is a good approach. New programs would be written for Wayland but the old ones would still work. Eventually the number of programs requiring X will decrease to the point where including an X server is merely optional.


And we do need a change. I'm sick of having everything break every time the Xorg server is updated. Something newer and simpler would be a welcome change, since it would mean the devs could add new features without worrying about breaking 27 years of legacy code.
    
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