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Originally Posted by Riou;14614079 
They are alright and sound better than logitechs. However, you can do much better. The satellites sound decent but they are not as full.

The subwoofer is good for games but they are not really good. The lowest the sub will go is about 45 Hz range. Real subwoofers get into the 20 Hz range.

For $300, you could get some fairly good sound bookshelf/monitors with 5-6 inch woofers. That will give a more satisfying and full sound spectrum.

Would they be powered speakers or would I need a receiver? I'd like to avoid buying a receiver since I don't want to have two receivers and they are pretty bulky.

I think I need to test out some computer speakers at Fry's or Best Buy. Then meet the guy and test out the 641s. I'd like a compact set up without too much bulk. I understand that the 641s sub is huge however. But I can hide that. Hate to have to buy a separate receiver, and then have a sub. Plus the bulk of bookshelf speakers?

Another alternative would be Bose but that is probably $500 and up I'm guessing.
    
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"A whole living room with a lot of clarity" must be true if the guy who is offering them to you is tone deaf. I'm looking at getting a 15" downfiring servo subwoofer to find the rest of my living room clarity, which is to say nothing of the much-too-small drivers in the satellites and subwoofer of the 641 to perform the same task. The 641's subwoofer is definitely not huge.

The wattage of the components in the 641 isn't very relevant and is probably overrated. The thing is that you're looking at a value price point and I would personally be hard pressed to put together anything better that fulfills your requirements for below $200.

I haven't heard the 641, but I do think from experience that Altec Lansing speakers generally sound more balanced than Logitech speakers, for what that's worth. If the discontinued Klipsch ProMedia 5.1 wasn't so unreliable, I would think that might be a better bet for computer speakers, but I suppose the 641 would be decent for what they are if they're in excellent condition and you could get them for $150 or cheaper. If I were you, I'd attempt to drive a hard bargain because there is no market for the 641 due to its age and he's lucky to find someone who is even interested, not to mention a willing buyer.
    
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"A whole living room with a lot of clarity" must be true if the guy who is offering them to you is tone deaf. I'm looking at getting a 15" downfiring servo subwoofer to find the rest of my living room clarity, which is to say nothing of the much-too-small drivers in the satellites and subwoofer of the 641 to perform the same task. The 641's subwoofer is definitely not huge.

The wattage of the components in the 641 isn't very relevant and is probably overrated. The thing is that you're looking at a value price point and I would personally be hard pressed to put together anything better that fulfills your requirements for below $200.

I haven't heard the 641, but I do think from experience that Altec Lansing speakers generally sound more balanced than Logitech speakers, for what that's worth. If the discontinued Klipsch ProMedia 5.1 wasn't so unreliable, I would think that might be a better bet for computer speakers, but I suppose the 641 would be decent for what they are if they're in excellent condition and you could get them for $150 or cheaper. If I were you, I'd attempt to drive a hard bargain because there is no market for the 641 due to its age and he's lucky to find someone who is even interested, not to mention a willing buyer.

Well the thing is, I already have a living room system in place with infinity speakers all around, etc. This is for the computer room which is separated from the living room. The guy selling said it could fill a whole living room but I'm not interested in doing that. I think that's the confusion here. I think with speakers and audio equipment it isn't surprising that some of the old stuff sounds better than the new stuff. I guess I'm just going to have to let my ears decide. I might just pick up something at Frys. Gotta test some out and look at some more reviews. I think I should at least look and listen to the 641s first and then I'll decide. Reviews and old forum posts seems to favor the 641s however.
    
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You're not going to get clean sound out of ANY PC speakers, period. The best ones are going to be either powered monitors (no expansion though), Klipsh ProMedia's (again no expansion, not very clean either), or a mini amp, bookshelfs, and sub of your own choice (full expansion possibilities). I'd start out with a sound card, the $100 Dayton T amp, and some good bookshelfs. Add the sub in later.
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How much are we talking then for a 20w mini amp, speakers, etc. That sounds like it could get pricier than this used set. The Altec 641s puts out 25 watts to each speaker, and the large sub which I've read is really good, puts out 100 watts. The Altec seems pretty capable and the reviews seems to say good things. Also the speakers are nice and small for the desk, and not having a separate receiver and amp to avoid less clutter is why they make computer speakers in the first place.

I don't know. If I can talk the guy down to $175 maybe it'll be worth it. The guy said that these altecs can easily fill a whole living room with a lot of clarity. Finding that hard to believe. What is impressive is that the Altecs have lasted him 10 years.
My friend bought these Altecs for $100 on clearance at Fry's back in 2005. $175 is a lot imho. You could put that money towards better powered speakers.

It depends upon what type of music you listen to I suppose. The satellite speakers won't let you hear the guitarist scratching the nylon strings. For the same $300, you could get some powered 2.0 speakers and hear a lot more detail.
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Already told the guy I'd look at them tomorrow. I'm going to visit some retail stores and test some newer models first, then decide. I'm sure I can talk him down to $160 at least.
    
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Already told the guy I'd look at them tomorrow. I'm going to visit some retail stores and test some newer models first, then decide. I'm sure I can talk him down to $160 at least.

You're SEVERELY overpaying for those. I wouldn't spend more than $50-75 on them depending on shape, and even then there's better options.
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Some of Altec Lansing's products are indeed worthy of the "legendary" tag. That speaker set you're looking at looks pretty nice for sure.

Furthermore, I had an Altec Lansing sub from some early-nineties multimedia setup; for like 8 years (and I think it was 8 years old when I got it)... it was the best part of my speaker setup until it died.

Then one day at the Salvation Army (I get some clothes and odd items there) I came upon an awesome find, for SEVEN dollars...

A like-new ADA 885, with remote.

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THX, Digital, 4.1/5.1, loud, clear.. and just totally an awesome deal... These were sold for a LONG time as well, and their price stayed high for quite a while.

There's deals to be had out there, and not just in the usual places. smile.gif
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$7? That's a hell of a deal for anybody, even for those of us who favor real speakers. smile.gif

For BigCactus, I have no idea what options would be out there for putting together good quality sound with four bookshelf speakers, a subwoofer, and a suitable amp for under $200, and that's why I'm not pushing the mid-fi "piece together your own system" solution here. I don't think it can be done. That's below a budget I can analyze and I don't think you'll be getting superior sound for that price unless you go bargain hunting at Goodwill, the Salvation Army, or on Craigslist.

I think that talking down the price of the 641 by a lot is a good idea if you prefer its sound over whatever you get to audition in the store. The seller of the 641 will not get anywhere near his asking price because they aren't worth much anymore, especially not nearly 10 years later. He should be thankful if he gets $50 out of them, considering I bought Altec Lansing ACS500 speakers (MSRP $449 in 1994) for $50 about six years ago and the seller ate most of that $50 to ship it via UPS.

From what I see, space is a big consideration for you while sound quality isn't that important overall. I know some of us speaker snobs can't get that through our thick skulls sometimes. I can say that the Altec Lansing signature sound is more balanced than Logitech without the ridiculously overblown midrange and boomy bass, but both brands tend to suffer from weak highs and their subwoofers really just produce overdriven midbass. I prefer Altec Lansing for computer speakers over most common computer speaker brands, but I don't really pay attention to computer speakers in general anymore.
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I know my old Altec ADA-880's sounded AmAzInG with the Turtle Beach montego soundcard in '99. I still don't think i've heard anything as clear as those even now. but then again... it has been a long time
     
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