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I like a little Supreme Commander now and then. I have Sup Com:FA, which I'll play online sometimes, but once in a while I yearn for the original. I like the music better. I use a collection of merged AIs to kick-up the difficulty, have a little fun watching stuff blow-up.

Anyhoo. With my Sandy Stable speed of 4.6 Ghz @ 1.4v, I had multiple crashes on a large map with 8 players. Now, Supreme Commander is truthfully about as hard a game to run as you can find. With 8 players, 500 units per player...that's 4,000 units; about 2.5 GB of RAM and at least 50-60% across all four cores. I use MadBoris core stabilizer to keep the load evenly distributed and I added a 4GB LAA flag on the executable.

Sooo...I figured maybe the AIs were causing the crashes. I was stable and I never crashed any other games so I starting to look at things other than my overclock. To make a long story short...it was my overclock.

4.6 Ghz crashed the game often.

I backed off to 4.4 Ghz. No crashes...but saves crash the game.

4.2 Ghz. No crashes saving the game, but crashes when loading a save.

4.0 Ghz No game crashes, but some saves work and other saves didn't.

I got down to 3.8 GHz @ stock volts...played a huge map with 8 players and no crashes.

So that's it. A paltry 3.8 Ghz is my sweet spot. Maybe I could mess with it a bit and get it a little higher. But I have to say, I am a bit disappointed.

I bought Sandy to improve the game speed in RTS like SupCom. With Core 2 or Phenom 2, the game will slow to a crawl very quickly. Sandy really improves realtime game speed.

I went from playing -4 -5 game speed on large maps to -1 -2 at full tilt on large maps. A very big improvement. But now that i'm outside of 4.0 Ghz, i'll be spending a little more time, not much maybe, but a little more time @ less than regular game speed.

I love my 2500K but my stable speed wasn't as stable as I thought. You'd think IBT Linpack, Prime 95 and OCCT takes it to the limit, but it ain't so. Not for all situations anyway.

I could cheat it and play most of games @ 4.6 Ghz then drop to 3.8 Ghz for SupCom., but now that I know, i'll be staying @ 3.8 Ghz for a while.

Guess I got to get me one of them high-falutin' Z68 boards and try again.
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Post your bios settings, are offset or manual and how are the safety features set in the bios?
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I don't think you can rule out the memory. Has it all been tested?
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there are so many other factors that come into play like gpu driver issues. Read this:
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**If your sandybridge is giving you problems under light load or idle, then try disabling c3/c6, this usually applies to offset users. A handful of users' have reported that even after priming 12hrs+ they have recieved random bsods, this does not really indicate that it's unstable.

The error codes are not 100% and are not ALWAYS correct, with that said, stress testing in your main OS is not a good idea. If possible get yourself a spare HDD and load up windows and run all your stress testing on that. The idea of having another HDD is so that when your running your stress testing, background processes are at a minimum and should help indicate the main source of bsods, disabling the internet connection is also a good idea, same with any type of antivirus. Just remember too many bsods in a OS can cause the OS to become unstable ie corrupted file systems etc. With that said, if you pass 12hrs once you should be able to pass again, however, this does not mean go OCD stress testing.

In a situation where you are getting random bsods try the following:
  • Clear CMOS (quick way - take the baterry out), load saved stable overclock, fresh windows install with pretty much nothing installed, no internet connection, nothing just a prime blend run. With minimum processes running and windows services, it would ba clear indication of stability without other 'things' such as a driver error, windows update, internet connection causing bsod.

  • You could try the above or even a BIOS update, I stress that before you update, run stock setttings and then update the BIOS (**Don't update the BIOS on an overclock setting, you could risk bricking the mobo)

  • Try Enabling all power saving features - C1E, EIST C3 and C6.

  • Try running C3 and C6 on AUTO with C1E and EIST Enabled.

  • Many have found that enabling SPREAD SPECTRUM reduces the voltage fluctuation.

  • Try using Manual voltage instead of Offset.

  • Go to control Panel/hardware and sound/power options and select High performance Mode.

  • Take the RAM out of the equation, underclock it if you have to and see whether or not it continues.

  • Try a fresh OS install on a spare HDD or something, remember as explained before, too many bsods in the os = corrupt file system = unstable OS

  • IF you have an SSD Read THIS, it might help solve your problems.

  • Run Prime on it's own and leave it!!!!
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z68 board won't help you overclock any better unless your board now is going bad and switching just gave you a good board again.
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I like my budget ECS board but it is a budget board. Unfortunately, I don't have as many features to tweak as some of you with better boards. I can't even lower my PLL below 1.83v.

Let's see....the RAM is motherboard-tested via the manufacturer. I ran it through several hours of memtest86 and the windows memtest. No errors.

The BIOS is flaky to say the least. I can't disable turbo-boost. There is a setting for it but it doesn't work. I run it "energy efficient". There's no difference if I turn it off anyway. I have a setting called EUP that I leave on by default. I've turned it off. I also enabled all the C3 power states for the heck of it.

I don't seem to have a spread spectrum, unless its called something else.

Voltage adjustment is tricky. Vcore is raised in increments and I have to guess where it will end up and there's usually lots of vdrop unless it's fully loaded. Like it'll say in the BIOS i'm @ 1.65v on the vcore then when I boot into windows, CPU-z will say it's 1.38v so I have to guess. I gotten used to the quirks so I guess predictably but...you know.

I've tried upping DIMM voltage (the RAM is supposed to be 1.65v @ 800 Mhz but it works just fine @ 1.5v..if I change the voltage to 1.65 it doesn't help anything.) and IMC voltage. PCH voltage is southbridge right? So I don't mess with that.

So I'm saying that perhaps another board might help bc this one is flaky. It works, tho. I can overclock the **** out of my CPU (it doesn't go passed 50 multi lol) , but it's the true stable part that eludes me.

I'm going to mess with some things and give it another shot.
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Could you post your bios settings, doesn't matter how flaky it is, I would like to see what you have done in the bios. Preferebly screenshots of the bios with things you have changed would be great.

Thanks
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Are you getting BSODs?
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Originally Posted by sintricate;14608178 
Are you getting BSODs?

Nope no BSODs. That's a plus. And I don't have a camera to screenshot the BIOS so sorry for that. I just ran it through some paces @ 4.6 Ghz and no crashes so far. No crashes on loading games either so that's good. I have to start a whole new game to be sure. Should take like an hour. If I'm stable i'll rep. you all since I have no idea what I did lol.

It's funny with my BIOS. I just knocked my vcore down to 120mv over stock and i'm running 1.452v. Makes no sense. I was just there before I knocked it down. I'm a take it down more to 1.404 where I was for the sandy stable test and then run a game. I'll be back. confused.gif

*edit* 4.6 Ghz looking good now. No crashes whatsoever. Thanks for the tips!
Edited by spacin9guild - 8/16/11 at 8:55pm
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