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Wrong. Q and E for armor and stealth is about a million times better than having to mess with the stupid mouse wheel button.
the new nanosuit is a double edged sword.
i like the middle mouse thing. if one is fast with his hands the nanosuit 1 is fricking amazing. if one is slow then hes a dead man.
but the main thing i like about NS2 is combining suit powers. makes the game WAY easier. but it takes out lean and prone. which is VERY disappointing.
i kinda like the NS1 better because it makes the game more challenging tho
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Wow, thanks for COMPLETELY validating my comment...
lol this!


*sigh* too bad C2 wont run with crossfire so im laggin at 20 fps
    
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You know what's funny?
Crysis 2 was released and didn't push hardware, people complained.
It didn't come with DX11, people complained.
It got a DX11 update and it pushed hardware, people complained.
I don't think people complained at Crysis 2 release because it didn't "push" hardware--I think they complained because it was, in terms of visual appearance, a step back from the original crysis despite the fact that computer hardware had advanced significantly within the past 3 years.

I think the no DX11 complaints were pretty silly though.

The reason why people appear to be complaining after the DX11 "update" is because it seems that effort was not put into making the DX11 features augment the game graphics/maps, as opposed to just having DX11 features regardless of implementation.

I'm no expert on how it all integrates--the water tessellation issue seems pretty silly, but others have stated that it really doesn't cause as much of an issue with processing power.

Even so, it seems sloppy. People do have a right to complain when tessellation is applied to essentially flat surfaces. What's the significance of doing that?
    
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My original statement in this thread still stands: I don't give two craps about how a game is coded as long as it looks great and plays great. Crysis 2 delivers both. Period.
For you, not everyone has the same experience with the game. MANY people have had issues with the game. Learn some compasion rather than only caring for yourself.
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I look forward to seeing tessellated cubes and rectangular prisms in Crysis 2. Instead of one polygon for a cube, I rather have one million tessellated tiny cubes to form one giant cube just to stroke my e-peen.

Also, I want it to tessellate the invisible jelly inside of the cube.
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Wow, thanks for COMPLETELY validating my comment...
Your rig is running in the top .3% of people that play Crysis 2. By your theory and you enjoying the game that means only .3% of people will even purchase the next Crysis because they think it won't be optimized and will be unplayable. A company cannot get away with your thought process and you can't expect to enjoy anymore Crytek games because they won't sell due to not optimizing their game for a larger part of the gaming community.
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I don't think people complained at Crysis 2 release because it didn't "push" hardware--I think they complained because it was, in terms of visual appearance, a step back from the original crysis despite the fact that computer hardware had advanced significantly within the past 3 years.

I think the no DX11 complaints were pretty silly though.

The reason why people appear to be complaining after the DX11 "update" is because it seems that effort was not put into making the DX11 features augment the game graphics/maps, as opposed to just having DX11 features regardless of implementation.

I'm no expert on how it all integrates--the water tessellation issue seems pretty silly, but others have stated that it really doesn't cause as much of an issue with processing power.

Even so, it seems sloppy. People do have a right to complain when tessellation is applied to essentially flat surfaces. What's the significance of doing that?
All of this is irrelevant. The only question anybody should be asking is: Does the game look amazing? The overwhelming majority of people would say absolutely. Take BF3 for instance. It is universally loved around here and bragged on as being a "true" PC game (I agree, it looks fantastic). Well, what if it turned out to have these same "useless polys"? I doubt anyone would say a word.

On the other hand, certain people around here have been looking for a reason to hate on Crysis 2 since before it even came out and this is just another glaring example of some irrelevant piece of info they can grab hold of to prove their point that "Teh Crisis 2 sucks and is cunsole port!!!1111!"

There's also an element of Nvidia hate going on with this article as well....
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Your rig is running in the top .3% of people that play Crysis 2. By your theory and you enjoying the game that means only .3% of people will even purchase the next Crysis because they think it won't be optimized and will be unplayable. A company cannot get away with your thought process and you can't expect to enjoy anymore Crytek games because they won't sell due to not optimizing their game for a larger part of the gaming community.
Please provide some proof that 99.7% of PC gamers are unable to play Crysis 2...
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All of this is irrelevant. The only question anybody should be asking is: Does the game look amazing? The overwhelming majority of people would say absolutely. Take BF3 for instance. It is universally loved around here and bragged on as being a "true" PC game (I agree, it looks fantastic). Well, what if it turned out to have these same "useless polys"? I doubt anyone would say a word.

On the other hand, certain people around here have been looking for a reason to hate on Crysis 2 since before it even came out and this is just another glaring example of some irrelevant piece of info they can grab hold of to prove their point that "Teh Crisis 2 sucks and is cunsole port!!!1111!"

There's also an element of Nvidia hate going on with this article as well....
Not quite. Remember how people use to complain how Crysis was unoptimized but never had proof or understood what that meant?

Well, here in Crysis 2 we have proof of unoptimized graphics. Why waste additional GPU cycles processing more polygons for a flat surface?

Don't you think that is an issue? This isn't merely about how things look. This is how thing cost to look like they do.
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Z-culling does require processing by the GPU, however if CryEngine3 has efficient occlusion culling, which I imagine that it does, then most of the water underneath geometry is being culled before it's even sent to the GPU. If somebody with an Nvidia GPU (7 series or newer) wants to run the game with NVPerfHUD running they should be able see if the non-visible sections of water are being sent to the GPU or not.
Z-culling is executed by the ROPs, MSAA is proof of it
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Not quite. Remember how people use to complain how Crysis was unoptimized but never had proof or understood what that meant?

Well, here in Crysis 2 we have proof of unoptimized graphics. Why waste additional GPU cycles processing more polygons for a flat surface?

Don't you think that is an issue? This isn't merely about how things look. This is how thing cost to look like they do.
Its not Crytek or Nvidia's fault that AMD GPU's suffer at higher poly counts. I for one am glad to have a game that justifies the expense I incurred to get 580's over 6970's. The article was purely a hit piece, plain and simple. Why should Nvida users have their results discarded just because the competing cards can't keep up?

As far as processing "useless polys" my original point still stands: Crysis 2 on Ultra looks amazing and tessellation is a big part of that, regardless of where its utilized....

All that being said, I think I'm going to retire from this thread to go play some Crysis 2 maxed out! Cheers!
Edited by Majin SSJ Eric - 8/17/11 at 10:38am
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