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Hi, I'm new to the forums so my apologies if I am posting in the wrong section.

I am planning to upgrade my very basic system and I am looking at two ways I can go. Either I will first upgrade my CPU or I will first upgrade the GPU. I'm googling and slowly finding out what I will buy. At the moment I am looking at the
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 and the MSI R5770 Hawk. They both have a price tag of around €120,00. But I am not sure what will have a bigger impact on the performance of my PC. One of my main goals is to be able to play Arma 2/3 and FSX with a good FPS on reasonable settings at least.
My current PC is:
-Windows Vista Home Basic
-NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
-Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2160
-3326MB RAM
-Foxconn G31MXP-K MOBO

Whatever I will upgrade first, I know having a balanced system is the best thing but I am planning to completely upgrade my system in some time.

I also have a second question. I assume I have a very cheap PSU in my PC at the moment. I do not know which one and I also do not know how to find it out but I think it is one of 200W. Do I need to buy a better PSU so my system can handle the new stuff?

And if someone has a better budget CPU for gaming in mind. Please tell.
post #2 of 12
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Originally Posted by TheMrPatrick View Post
Hi, I'm new to the forums so my apologies if I am posting in the wrong section.

I am planning to upgrade my very basic system and I am looking at two ways I can go. Either I will first upgrade my CPU or I will first upgrade the GPU. I'm googling and slowly finding out what I will buy. At the moment I am looking at the
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 and the MSI R5770 Hawk. They both have a price tag of around €120,00. But I am not sure what will have a bigger impact on the performance of my PC. One of my main goals is to be able to play Arma 2/3 and FSX with a good FPS on reasonable settings at least.
My current PC is:
-Windows Vista Home Basic
-NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
-Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2160
-3326MB RAM
-Foxconn G31MXP-K MOBO

Whatever I will upgrade first, I know having a balanced system is the best thing but I am planning to completely upgrade my system in some time.

I also have a second question. I assume I have a very cheap PSU in my PC at the moment. I do not know which one and I also do not know how to find it out but I think it is one of 200W. Do I need to buy a better PSU so my system can handle the new stuff?

And if someone has a better budget CPU for gaming in mind. Please tell.
If you can afford it, an i5-2300 / i5-2400 would be much better (I'm not sure of the prices because I don't know where you're sourcing from). If you want to upgrade further, say Ivy Bridge, I'd recommend an ASUS P8P67 motherboard.

If you can't afford this, I don't recommend a Core 2 Quad, a 1st Generation or 2nd Generation Core i will be much as the Core i3-540 compares closely to the C2Q8300.
post #3 of 12
Too bad your in europe i'm selling a 5 month old q8300 for $100.

Anyways, They call socket 775 a "dead socket" for a reason. While it may be enough to do what you want it to do, I'd get something more modern personally.

Unfortunately that would = a entire new build.

Yes, a q8300 and a 5770 vs what you currently have will be a huge increase. I used that tandem myself for some time, Only cause i'm a computer junkie did I upgrade it.

Indeed, whatever you do, will require a new PSU almost certainly.

Checkout Omega17's for sale thread. Good price on 5850, 5870.. Each of which will beat a 5770 by a good rate.
Edited by jagz - 8/17/11 at 10:32am
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post #4 of 12
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Thanks for the responses. I dont have the money for a completely new system, I might build a new PC in a far future but at the moment Ill stick to my old mobo. But my main question hasn't been answered yet. What would make a bigger difference, upgrading the CPU first or the GPU?

And now I know I need a new PSU. Would something between 400-500W do it?
post #5 of 12
I think no one's answered because it's very very hard to say. They both kind of suck. If you only upgrade one, the suck of the other will still be prevalant.

When you play the few games you mainly want to upgrade for, How is it? Is your CPU usage max and it's kind of slow? Does it look bad visually and choppy?
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post #6 of 12
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I have to play for example Arma 2 on the lowest settings possible and even then I get a FPS of around 20 but then again, Arma 2 is a badly optimized game. GTA IV also is a game I have to play on the lowest setting with equal performance. But Just Cause 2, graphically a very beautifull game can be played on high settings with around 20-30FPS and the same is with FarCry2.
So it's a question hard to answer.

Kind of a dilemma here, or it is going on with my plan with apparently already outdated hardware or build a COMPLETELY new system I can't afford :/

Ill keep thinking about this and do more research, I might come up with something.
post #7 of 12
That's a big dilemma. On top of that, If you get 1 of either you will need a new PSU too. You are over half way to a new build with cpu/gpu/psu so might want to strongly consider it.
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post #8 of 12
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Knowing this is a dissapointment, but I'll guess I'm going to build a completely new PC then. Thanks for the help.
post #9 of 12
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Knowing this is a dissapointment, but I'll guess I'm going to build a completely new PC then. Thanks for the help.
If you are going to build a new pc then list the sites you are shopping from and we can help you with the parts
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post #10 of 12
i agree, getting just one of them will bottleneck the upgrade on modern games.
so best thing is to save that 120 euros and put it towards a new build fund.

a i5 2300 and 4gb 1600 ram
with gtx 460 will be a good cheap gaming rig.
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