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I personally don't think Origin is a bad client. Actually, I kind of like it. I don't, however, like my games scattered across multiple clients. I like all my games in one place, and that's why I love steam.
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It's hard to get them to want to come back. I mean if someone were saying to me:

"This is better for everyone. Your sales will go up this way... and so on."

I'd reply with:

"Well I want all of my damn money. Not money going to my competitor who also gets more publicity this way as well. Sorry I want to control things the way I want to. Period. Plus I can't let you have the cornerstone on the digital distribution market. I'm going to do this on my own."

I mean it just makes sense for EA to give them the finger (at least for now) and do their own thing to make more money.
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Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt View Post
Maybe you're confused but the two quotes are one in the same. Gabe said they have a happier fanbase on steam and then a customer stated exactly that.
Not at all. Gabe spoke the truth, that they have no inherent right to EA's games and have to prove to EA that they should let Valve distribute their games.

The commenter basically said that he hates Origin just because Steam was first and is delusional enough to think that he has a huge army sharing his opinion.

I don't see how those are remotely similar.
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It's hard to get them to want to come back. I mean if someone were saying to me:

"This is better for everyone. Your sales will go up this way... and so on."

I'd reply with:

"Well I want all of my damn money. Not money going to my competitor who also gets more publicity this way as well. Sorry I want to control things the way I want to. Period. Plus I can't let you have the cornerstone on the digital distribution market. I'm going to do this on my own."

I mean it just makes sense for EA to give them the finger (at least for now) and do their own thing to make more money.

The problem is, they won't make more money. No successful business leaves sales on the table, period. Steam is too big and too popular for them to ignore. If EA is smart, they will take advantage of steam while at the same time, continue working on Origin to make it stable and compatible with the games they use. I won't use origin because it isn't stable enough yet (had to uninstall it to get Crysis 2 to work). It's not good business to ignore 2+ million customers, but hey they are a big company a couple million customers is nothing to them!???

I certainly hope they decide to not make origin a requirement, because, I would really like to get and play this game, and not have to install an unstable program to use it.....
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Valve (Gabe) is completely right here. EA has no obligation, moral or business, to use the Steam platform. It is completely within their right as well as smart business to launch their own distribution client and storefront if they so choose. They certainly have the quantity (if not necessarily quality) of games to pull it off. That being said, I still think it is a pretty lousy move that they insist on tying certain games exclusively to Origin, regardless of point of purchase. While I could care less if they release their games on Steam, I would like to see the experiment regarding forcing Origin on users for certain games fails hard enough that they feel the financial pain and start offering said games and future games with Origin as an OPTION.

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The problem is, they won't make more money. No successful business leaves sales on the table, period. Steam is too big and too popular for them to ignore. If EA is smart, they will take advantage of steam while at the same time, continue working on Origin to make it stable and compatible with the games they use. I won't use origin because it isn't stable enough yet (had to uninstall it to get Crysis 2 to work). It's not good business to ignore 2+ million customers, but hey they are a big company a couple million customers is nothing to them!???

I certainly hope they decide to not make origin a requirement, because, I would really like to get and play this game, and not have to install an unstable program to use it....
I agree that Origin definitely should not have been an actual requirement. What would actually be smart would be is to offer it with Origins as an option and after a week from release, offer it on Steam. Either way though, I am curious on how all this will turn out and wait and see if others will follow suit the same way.
Edited by OC'ing Noob - 8/19/11 at 8:38am
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Valve (Gabe) is completely right here. EA has no obligation, moral or business, to use the Steam platform. It is completely within their right as well as smart business to launch their own distribution client and storefront if they so choose. They certainly have the quantity (if not necessarily quality) of games to pull it off. That being said, I still think it is a pretty lousy move that they insist on tying certain games exclusively to Origin, regardless of point of purchase. While I could care less if they release their games on Steam, I would like to see the experiment regarding forcing Origin on users for certain games fails hard enough that they feel the financial pain and start offering said games and future games with Origin as an OPTION.
This~

If they made it an option, but made it a lucrative or favorable one (offering free dlc, or other such bonuses~ like price drops and savings) then I'd see it as honest and fair competition. If they had the game available on Steam, but Origin had the Karkand expansion and a small price drop, that'd make Origin WAY more appealing even with the option. I'd end up buying it on Origin anyway.

But not giving me the choice and playing dirty like they have while pretending to be the ones affected, just leaves me sour. It's like they don't have faith in their own service to compete fairly with others, so why would I have any faith in them when they can't even put themselves up against their peers and earn my money like everyone else does?
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This~

If they made it an option, but made it a lucrative or favorable one (offering free dlc, or other such bonuses~ like price drops and savings) then I'd see it as honest and fair competition. If they had the game available on Steam, but Origin had the Karkand expansion and a small price drop, that'd make Origin WAY more appealing even with the option. I'd end up buying it on Origin anyway.

But not giving me the choice and playing dirty like they have while pretending to be the ones affected, just leaves me sour. It's like they don't have faith in their own service to compete fairly with others, so why would I have any faith in them when they can't even put themselves up against their peers and earn my money like everyone else does?
But valve does the same thing with their games forcing steam upon you, does that mean they do not have faith in their service either? In fact I would wager they have more faith in their service if they forcing it upon us, if its crap none of these people will buy an EA game ever again. Lets be honest, nobody would adopt origins if it wasnt forced, people who are using steam do not want another DD client running on their computer and those who are not using steam do not want DD clients at all.


While I do not want origins to be required EA is not doing anything, dirty, evil, greedy etc
Edited by sausageson - 8/19/11 at 8:42am
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lets be clear here, you go into a store and you pickup The Orange Box.
You go home, and what do you find on the DVD? The steam client install
Why is this acceptable for some of you?

When i bought orange box a few years ago, i was all excited that i found a deal for it at $19.99. I pop the disk in, and it installs the steam client
I have to sign up for steam, then key in the retail key
then i have to individually download each game? Whats the point of giving me the installation disk then? And I have to be signed in to play single player games? (HL EPS 1 & 2, Portal)

I was doing heavy traveling when i bought the orange box, i thought i could just load it onto the laptop and kill time on the plane/airport/hotel. But half the time i couldn't as i had no broadband

I'm against all of these needing to connect to so and so client BS to play. Im annoyed at Blizzard for requiring an internet connection to play campaign for SC2. However im not gonna be a hypocrite and say i hate one company for doing this, when I suck it up and play my games on all the platforms.
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lets be clear here, you go into a store and you pickup The Orange Box.
You go home, and what do you find on the DVD? The steam client install
Why is this acceptable for some of you?
EA=/=Valve

EA = Publisher

Valve = Publisher/Developer with notably higher PR rep

If anything the developer should have its own store for games, but EA is just a publisher, and if anything it mostly only offers EA games. Valve on the other hand offers their games, EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Indie and im sure a great many other games.
    
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I refuse to install more clients. Tried microsofts because of a good deal on the bioshock series, and ive already repurchased them through steam. Im NOT trying origin.
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